That's precisely what I got out of it too. If he admits that JFS said what he clearly said, and then he disagrees with it, then he can't also claim that he holds prophets to be infallible when speaking as a prophet (which, he claims, is always entirely clear).

Ever wonder why so much of our genetic code is viewed as filler? What if that filler got filled in with something non-fillerlike? ;)

It seems the debate is about what you think he said.

JF.S: "God is the physical father of Jesus, just like you are the physical son of your father."
CG: "He said God had sex with Mary! Woo-hoo!"

This is so like CG, I don't know why I'm surprised.

LOL. Yeah, let's dig up that old argument again.

I think this horse is long dead. You can go on thinking I'm a fundamentalist wacko in denial, and I will consider you all doctrinal harlots. Not much changes. :)

It's just clear that you're not interested in truth, but in fitting everything nicely into your own paradigm. So be it. It's clear where you're coming from.

It's clear that for you, the thinking's already been done.

You have no problem with Joseph Smith doing the same?

I think marsupial has been clear on this issue in the past. Why are you assuming that she doesn't have any problem with Joseph Smith's deeds? Because she's a Mormon? Someday you'll realize that there are plenty of Mormons who accept the result of Joseph Smith's "revelations" without accepting his sins.

I find this crack to be a little annoying. I am far from a radical and tend to be very mainstream in my views and beliefs. I am also frequently annoyed (as I have expressed in this very thread) with how flip many here tend to be about matters that I think should be treated with respect and dignity, even if you are a non-believer. Even so, some things just seem obvious to me and don't really affect my testimony or the basis for my testimony. To suggest that I am somehow a 'doctrinal Harlot' because I think JF.S and other prophets, whom I generally revere, very plainly set forth a doctrine that you or others find unacceptable is unfair.

I am not bothered by the fact that you don't accept it. I think you are wrong and I think you are kidding yourself about what they said and what they meant by what they said, but I am not bothered at all that you believe differently. But why you feel the need to suggest that someone like me is a 'doctrinal harlot' is beyond me.

Are you related to Fanny Alger or one of the other described wives? Seriously, what is your conenection that makes you care? DO you patronize boards for catholics and remind them of the behavior of priests that you find offensive? Do you go hang out on Buddhist boards and point out the many buddhist leaders accused of sexual improprieties? Why are we so lucky to have you here to be our little Jiminy Cricket?

His comments reek of bigotry, with the ludicrous assumption that Mormons must endorse a prophet's sin in order to accept the religion itself.

Sounds to me that JFS got his biology degree from the U.