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ERCougar 10-18-2007 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by SoonerCoug (Post 138241)
I agree--a mission is a once in a lifetime opportunity. And I think it's not to be missed, even by the the most serious doubting Thomases.

This seems a little strong. Unless of course you're going to respond with "Thomas was an apostle".

Even if a mission ends up bringing the greatest benefit back to the missionary, that only happens as a result of the missionary giving himself to something larger. Similar to the fact that happiness can't be found by seeking it; it's a byproduct of a certain life. If we have a bunch of missionaries going out seeking "life experiences", they'll miss them.

BYU71 10-18-2007 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by SoonerCoug (Post 138249)
I don't think that most people differentiate between RM and non-RM in the Church. Heck, HW Hunter wasn't an RM. Neither was Steve Young, who seems to handle things fine. I love using that as ammo, even when people say that HW Hunter served at a time when a mission was "less mandatory."

I do think that people often regret not serving on a mission, and I think that sometimes people are made to feel inferior for not serving. That's sad.

Personally, I'm glad I served because the experience enriched my life.

But if someone wants to serve a mission, one can always give it a whirl as a senior citizen.

P.S. I don't believe that Steve Young was a virgin when he got married.

You may be right adn when I get into this better person thing is when I get wrapped up in a debate over whether "every young man a missionary" was a commandment or just good counsel.

Tex 10-18-2007 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by SoonerCoug (Post 138234)
My problem with the entire situation is that I believe a mission is most important for the missionary him/herself. I think that converting people is one of the least important things a Mormon missionary does on a mission. I think it'd be better to have more missionaries serve and fewer converts per missionary (or even fewer total converts).

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Originally Posted by SoonerCoug (Post 138241)
I agree--a mission is a once in a lifetime opportunity. And I think it's not to be missed, even by the the most serious doubting Thomases.

I don't think the leadership shares your view.

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Originally Posted by BYU71 (Post 138244)
Is there a perception out there though that the RM is a better person in the eyes of God than the non-RM.

If true, it's a shame, and a false belief.

It is true, however, that one who chooses not to go on a mission will be explaining that decision for the duration of his life in the church. "Where did you serve?" is just a standard question these days.

I remember once I was chatting with a guy about Germany and he mentioned something about living there when he was younger. I said, "Is that where you served?" and he said, "Yeah, I served in the Army over there." I thought that was a pretty clever way to parlay any potential awkwardness that he must occasionally encounter.

SoonerCoug 10-18-2007 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Tex (Post 138255)
I don't think the leadership shares your view.

No shit, sherlock.

BYU71 10-18-2007 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Tex (Post 138255)
I don't think the leadership shares your view.



If true, it's a shame, and a false belief.

It is true, however, that one who chooses not to go on a mission will be explaining that decision for the duration of his life in the church. "Where did you serve?" is just a standard question these days.

I remember once I was chatting with a guy about Germany and he mentioned something about living there when he was younger. I said, "Is that where you served?" and he said, "Yeah, I served in the Army over there." I thought that was a pretty clever way to parlay any potential awkwardness that he must occasionally encounter.


I find it interesting when I am amongst a large group of golfers and we are in the card room after the round. Someone brings up missions and the number of guys who say where they went who have a beer, cigar or cards in front of them.

If non-members are around I wish they wouldn't mention they had gone on missions. It is kind of like those dang people who wear their BYU gear into Casinos and sit down at the tables.

If they want to do stuff like that fine, but why sully the image we all try so hard to create.

ERCougar 10-18-2007 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Tex (Post 138255)
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It is true, however, that one who chooses not to go on a mission will be explaining that decision for the duration of his life in the church. "Where did you serve?" is just a standard question these days.

I rarely ask anyone this unless someone starts talking about his/her mission first. And I don't really hear it asked that much.

I swear that sometimes I go to a different church than everyone else.

Indy Coug 10-18-2007 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by ERCougar (Post 138259)
I rarely ask anyone this unless someone starts talking about his/her mission first. And I don't really hear it asked that much.

I swear that sometimes I go to a different church than everyone else.

I wonder if it's more of a reflection on the people that post here rather than the wards they attend.

Cali Coug 10-18-2007 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Indy Coug (Post 138180)
Well, there was an internal study done by the church....

I didn't say that raising the bar didn't contribute.

You said, "The single biggest contributing factor in the decrease in the number of missionaries in the field (by a large margin) is due to demographics." By a large margin? I don't even buy it is due to demographics as a majority. That would be a sensational coincidence.

BlueK 10-18-2007 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by SoonerCoug (Post 138234)
My problem with the entire situation is that I believe a mission is most important for the missionary him/herself. I think that converting people is one of the least important things a Mormon missionary does on a mission. I think it'd be better to have more missionaries serve and fewer converts per missionary (or even fewer total converts).

I don't disagree with that. I think what they don't want is more of the extreme rule breakers, and they decided that those who were the most wild before, were more likely to be the disruptive types. Whether that's true or not, I really don't know, but it makes some sense at least on the surface.

SoonerCoug 10-18-2007 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by BlueK (Post 138266)
I don't disagree with that. I think what they decided they don't need is those who are the extreme rule breakers, and they at some point decided that those who were the most wild before were the most likely to be the disruptive types. Whether that's true or not, I really don't know.

I don't know either. Tricky situation.


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