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Indy Coug 05-05-2009 07:28 PM

What law(s) did Bybee break in opining that waterboarding wasn't torture? Additionally, what doctrine(s) did Bybee directly refute in order to hold that opinion?

MikeWaters 05-05-2009 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Indy Coug (Post 304786)
What law(s) did Bybee break in opining that waterboarding wasn't torture? Additionally, what doctrine(s) did Bybee directly refute in order to hold that opinion?

What was Labute's sin having two LDS characters who were gay bashers?

To answer your question: conspiracy to break the law. The doctrine is simple: read the Sermon on the Mount.

SeattleUte 05-05-2009 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Indy Coug (Post 304786)
What law(s) did Bybee break in opining that waterboarding wasn't torture? Additionally, what doctrine(s) did Bybee directly refute in order to hold that opinion?

Torture is not against LDS doctrine? Are you sure you're not mixing up a doctrine with a policy? I just want to be sure here, because I'm a little confused about the difference in LDS world. Torture is okay per LDS higher ups. Okay, we've got that straight. Is that really doctrine or is it policy?

Indy Coug 05-05-2009 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeWaters (Post 304787)
What was Labute's sin having two LDS characters who were gay bashers?

To answer your question: conspiracy to break the law. The doctrine is simple: read the Sermon on the Mount.

You didn't answer my question: what law expressly forbade waterboarding?

SeattleUte 05-05-2009 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeWaters (Post 304787)
What was Labute's sin having two LDS characters who were gay bashers?

To answer your question: conspiracy to break the law. The doctrine is simple: read the Sermon on the Mount.

Waters, are you sure that's the only reason Neal was disfellowshipped?

MikeWaters 05-05-2009 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by SeattleUte (Post 304790)
Waters, are you sure that's the only reason Neal was disfellowshipped?

No. It's Labute's account. The church has been silent on its end.

The church is silent about why they disfellowship and excommunicate people. Except when they are not silent. :)

In other words, it is a matter of convenience for the church on whether they give their side of the story.

Labute is no longer a member of the church. I think he had his records removed, or maybe he was excommunicated. I don't know. His LDS wife divorced him as well.

MikeWaters 05-05-2009 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Indy Coug (Post 304789)
You didn't answer my question: what law expressly forbade waterboarding?

Did you mean US Law or God's law?

US law - 1994 Torture statute + case law where the USA tried and convicted people of torture for using waterboarding.

Indy Coug 05-05-2009 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeWaters (Post 304794)
US law - 1994 Torture statute + case law where the USA tried and convicted people of torture for using waterboarding.

OK, I Googled unsuccessfully. Link?

MikeWaters 05-05-2009 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Indy Coug (Post 304798)
OK, I Googled unsuccessfully. Link?

lazy bum.

http://tinyurl.com/c7wd78

Indy Coug 05-05-2009 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeWaters (Post 304799)

I didn't see any reference to "water" or "waterboard" in that statute.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/us...I_20_113C.html


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