Is that reason to excommunicate though?

I don't think that is enough to get you exed. It is enough to deny you a temple recommend however and maybe a calling.

Lyndon seemed to think so.

I'm watching the YouTube clips now. In the 2nd video the Stake President said, "I've never heard the Church teach anything but the scriptures,..."

Exactly. They did what he wanted.

His free speech argument was ridiculous. Does he work for Boeing? I wonder how he can possibly continue his employment there given Boeing's decisons to keep information out of the public realm.

He seemed very happy to finally be able to tell people "no" when asked if he was LDS. Then he runs out to tell people his isn't LDS.

I question the morality of taping someone secretly then making it public. I could see it if there had been some type of violation of protocal or abuse of some kind.

If you believe like this guy does, what is the point of staying a member.

The only reason I can think of is for social reasons. OK, if you belong to a social organization, you have to live by that social organizations rules.

I know a guy at our Country Club who got kicked out because he got extrememly pissed and was screaming the F word around women and children. Heck what about free speech. A social organization can set rules.

I just don't get it. If you no longer believe in the church to the point you want to convince others to get out, get out yourself first so you don't mislead anyone as to your motives.

Again, Bishops and SP's are human beings. You have to laugh sometimes at what they say. Why was the SP or anyone arguing with this guy. Let him go.

I don't think we will see lesson manuals mention JS's polyandry anytime soon. We will probably unofficially deny it happened for another two decades. Then there will be a tacit admission, but still kept under wraps.

Unfortunately there will be a few members who will feel they were lied to. Or rather, they will be lied to, but get upset about it. Many of us realize we have been deceived in many respects, but we give the deceivers the benefit of the doubt. Like parents, they protected us from the grimy things of the world, which would come soon enough.

I thought the SP was very respectful and allowed Lyndon to say his peace. He challenged him on a couple of items, but allowed Lyndon to respond.

Another thing I found funny was Lyndon leaving behind charts for the disciplinary council as he left the building.

Because it's clear that Lyndon intended to record and disseminate this hearing, I'm curious how he would have really conducted himself in absence of a recording. It's obvious he's trying to protray himself as the kind, almost respectful conscientious objector.

Perhaps you are the most qualified here to relate the motivations behind Lamborn's yearning for the spotlight? He blankets the Net with videos of his anti-LDS rhetoric and employs the media to spread his word. Perish the thought one could walk away with their dignity intact.