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Hsaru 04-07-2008 01:20 AM

good thing you covered your bases so there is no way dwill can pass cp3 in your mind. Arguments where you can never be wrong are always fun.

scottie 04-07-2008 01:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MikeWaters (Post 205473)
Williams has a much better cast around him. Paul is a magician.

Much better? You can't be serious. Not sure how anyone could say that:

C
Chandler 11.8 PPG, 11.9 RPG, 1.1 BPG, 62% FG
Okur 14.4 PPG, 7.4 RPG, 0.4 BPG, 44% FG
Edge: Hornets

PF
West 20.3 PPG, 9.0 RPG, 1.3 BPG, 48% FG
Boozer 21.6 PPG, 10.6 RPG, 0.5 BPG, 55% FG
Edge: Even

SF
Stojakovic 16.2 PPG, 4.3 RPG, 1.2 APG, 44% FG
Kirilenko 11.1 PPG, 4.8 RPG, 4.1 APG, 50% FG
Edge: Hornets

SG
Peterson 8.1 PPG, .9 APG, 39% 3P%
Brewer 12.1 PPG, 1.8 APG, 21% 3P%
Edge: Jazz

MikeWaters 04-07-2008 02:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scottie (Post 205523)
Much better? You can't be serious. Not sure how anyone could say that:

C
Chandler 11.8 PPG, 11.9 RPG, 1.1 BPG, 62% FG
Okur 14.4 PPG, 7.4 RPG, 0.4 BPG, 44% FG
Edge: Hornets

PF
West 20.3 PPG, 9.0 RPG, 1.3 BPG, 48% FG
Boozer 21.6 PPG, 10.6 RPG, 0.5 BPG, 55% FG
Edge: Even

SF
Stojakovic 16.2 PPG, 4.3 RPG, 1.2 APG, 44% FG
Kirilenko 11.1 PPG, 4.8 RPG, 4.1 APG, 50% FG
Edge: Hornets

SG
Peterson 8.1 PPG, .9 APG, 39% 3P%
Brewer 12.1 PPG, 1.8 APG, 21% 3P%
Edge: Jazz

I'm serious. And you have destroyed your credibility by saying that NO has a better supporting cast than the Jazz.

You are in a group of one.

scottie 04-07-2008 02:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MikeWaters (Post 205528)
I'm serious. And you have destroyed your credibility by saying that NO has a better supporting cast than the Jazz.

You are in a group of one.

I showed you numbers, give me something to support your argument.

MikeWaters 04-07-2008 02:08 AM

Scottie, for one, last I heard, there are more than 5 people who play for the Jazz and the Hornet. Second, numbers rarely tell the story.

scottie 04-07-2008 02:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MikeWaters (Post 205534)
Scottie, for one, last I heard, there are more than 5 people who play for the Jazz and the Hornet.

No shit, Sherlock.

Quote:

Originally Posted by MikeWaters (Post 205534)
Second, numbers rarely tell the story.

LOL, okay.

scottie 04-07-2008 02:15 AM

All I'm saying is people are up in the night if they think Williams has a much better supporting cast than Paul, the numbers just don't support that. They (New Orleans) have a really good team, as evidenced by their best record in the west this far into the season.

smokymountainrain 04-07-2008 03:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scottie (Post 205540)
All I'm saying is people are up in the night if they think Williams has a much better supporting cast than Paul, the numbers just don't support that. They (New Orleans) have a really good team, as evidenced by their best record in the west this far into the season.


Waters is up in the night. When you factor in defense, Paul's supporting cast might be even better than that of Deron.

On offense, Okur >>> Chandler
On defense, Chandler >>>>>>> Okur

On offense, Boozer >> West
On defense, West >>>>> Boozer

On offense, Peja >> AK
On defense AK >>> Peja

On offense MoPete = Brew
On defense Brew > MoPete

Utah likely has an edge on the bench offensively, but again NO's bench is better defensively.

DrumNFeather 04-07-2008 03:30 AM

I don't think that Paul would thrive in Sloan's system the way that Williams has. The choice of Williams over Paul, in my mind, was a selection of who would fit better in the system at the time with the pieces the Jazz had in place. Williams did that.

Both players have elevated their respective game this season...and Paul is getting a lot of run right now because the Hornets came from nowhere to lead the Western Conference. Williams doesn't get as much credit (outside of the "Heard") because they do what they are expected to do...(yet Sloan continues to get overlooked for COY - but that's a different argument). The Jazz are expected to compete in the WC and Williams is a "part" of that (in the eyes of the national media). Paul is getting credit for doing it on his own and Willams gets credit for being the PG on a top WC team...but again, that is more a result of people not being able to see past the Jazz "system" to give Williams the credit he deserves for leading that team.

JohnnyLingo 04-07-2008 03:33 AM

Wow... some of you bit hard.

Waters doesn't believe what he's saying. He's just using this argument to get people (specifically: Utahns) riled up. It entertains him.

It might even be the single motivating factor in his life.

If anyone was ever born a troll, Waters was.


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