Originally Posted by Solon (Post 278501)

Young men with access to computers who have the time to post on message boards are obviously not representative of the entire body of LDS. However, I would guess, generally speaking, that they have more education, resources, and present/future income than the world's average LDS. Broadly speaking, the LDS who have the means to post on CB should be the vanguard of enlightened, capable, intelligent, educated, well-to-do, upwardly mobile LDS in American and world society. They are the future leaders of their church.

And they post this shit.

Disappointing.

Maybe they'll mellow with age.

Originally Posted by SeattleUte (Post 278490)

Your comment that support for Prop. 8 was emboldening the bigots suggests that Church leaders are more righteous than the bigots and the bigots being emboldened is an unfortunate by-product, that in a sense bigots are even taking advantage of church leaders who are at worst guilty of naivete. You need to belly up and acknowkedge that the Church leaders are themselves as bigoted as any of the people on CB you deplore, the king bigots and lords of the minion bigots, and therefore more despicable than the bigots on CB.

Originally Posted by MikeWaters (Post 278502)

Over here, I get slammed for suggesting that gays are the unknown "other" to most. As if every one of these guys has multiple gay relatives and friends like ERCougar suggested.

SoCalCoug is for Prop 8, I think.
tick is for it.
my dad is for it.

It's very clear that it has been very EASY for the church to rally members to its side, and they have bought into the fear very quickly, and are propagating it to everyone else.

Originally Posted by SeattleUte (Post 278490)

Your comment that support for Prop. 8 was emboldening the bigots suggests that Church leaders are more righteous than the bigots and the bigots being emboldened is an unfortunate by-product, that in a sense bigots are even taking advantage of church leaders who are at worst guilty of naivete. You need to belly up and acknowkedge that the Church leaders are themselves as bigoted as any of the people on CB you deplore, the king bigots and lords of the minion bigots, and therefore more despicable than the bigots on CB.

Originally Posted by MikeWaters (Post 278502)

Over here, I get slammed for suggesting that gays are the unknown "other" to most. As if every one of these guys has multiple gay relatives and friends like ERCougar suggested.

SoCalCoug is for Prop 8, I think.
tick is for it.
my dad is for it.

It's very clear that it has been very EASY for the church to rally members to its side, and they have bought into the fear very quickly, and are propagating it to everyone else.

Originally Posted by scottie (Post 278535)

A friend of mine, who is LDS, joined a group on Facebook called "No on Prop 8 | Don't Eliminate Marriage for Anyone", to which someone responded on his Facebook page with, "I never thought that you would support something in which the whole agenda is to destroy the family. Have you not been listening to the prophets?" What do you say to the person who responds like that?

Originally Posted by RC Vikings (Post 278461)

Originally Posted by Cali Coug (Post 278630)

Wow- that is truly an unbelievable thread. Unreal that one aspect of the original post that wasn't ever even touched on (as far as I saw- I didn't read each thread), was the claim that it is easier to deal with a person's death than it is with them "coming out." That seems to suggest that, given the choice, he would prefer that a relative simply die than be gay.

Horrendous.