Cali Coug |
04-27-2009 09:17 PM |
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Originally Posted by Tex
(Post 304336)
The question of whether waterboarding is torture is an open one. This is what I mean by rejecting your premise.
No, a dodge would be if I pretended to answer and didn't. In this case, I've told you explicitly I'm not, and I've told you why.
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No, you haven't said why. Whether or not the release of the memos makes us less safe has absolutely nothing to do with the definition of torture.
As for whether waterboarding is torture, one of the released memos certainly seemed to think so (See footnote 56 on the bottom of page 43 on the 5/10/05 memo):
"For purposes of our analysis, we will assume that the physiological sensation of drowning associated with the use of the waterboard may constitute a 'threat of imminent death' within the meaning of sections 2340-2340A."
Why does that footnote matter? "Torture" is defined in that same memo as an activity where a subject suffers prolonged mental harm caused by or resulting from "the threat of imminent death."
You can also read how waterboarding was actually performed by the CIA:
" One of the psychologists/interrogators acknowledged that the Agency’s use of the technique is different than that used by in SERE training because it is ‘for real’ and is ‘more poignant and convincing’. The Inspector General further reported that "OMS contends that the expertise of the SERE psychologist/interrogators on the waterboard was probably misrepresented at the time, as the SERE waterboard experience is so so different from the subsequent Agency usage as to make it almost irrelevant. Consequently, according to OMS, there was no a priori reason to believe that applying the waterboard with the frequency and intensity with which it was used by the psychologist/interrogators was either efficacious or medically safe.” Id. at 21 n.26.
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