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BlueK 10-09-2008 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Cali Coug (Post 277304)
Don't rule out Georgia. Or Mississippi.

this reminds me of a story I heard once. Jesse Helms was in a very tight race. Suddenly on election night the power goes out in several communities in North Carolina -- all heavily black populated communities. It may be part true and part myth. I don't know. I just don't see a democrat winning in certain states. The only way Obama takes southern states like Mississippi or Georgia is if McCain makes a few major gaffes the next three weeks. It's possible, I guess.

Tex 10-09-2008 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Cali Coug (Post 277303)
Not exactly.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/alan-a..._b_117594.html

Here is what a CNN/Gallup poll said on October 9, 2000 (Bush by 8):

http://archives.cnn.com/2000/ALLPOLI...oll/index.html

My information came from a Fox graphic for a Gallup poll, Oct 2-5, 2000. (Insert anti-Fox rhetoric here.) Just reporting what they said.

Also note, Gallup's tracking poll is not the same as when he teams with another news organization (thus Gallup and Gallup/USA Today often have widely different results).

Tex 10-10-2008 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Cali Coug (Post 277801)
You won't like this either.

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/...ped-obama.html

Keep trying. Eventually you will be right about something.

Thanks for that link that mentioned nothing about Gallup or the 2000 election.

Tex 10-10-2008 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Cali Coug (Post 277852)
It pertains to our discussion as to whether or not the debates have an impact and whether or not it is possible to identify a winner. They do, and it is.

Our discussion was not about whether "debates have an impact" but whether that debate had an impact. They have one opinion. I have another.

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Originally Posted by Cali Coug (Post 277852)
I really have to spell things out for you.

Not my fault you can't post in the correct thread.

Tex 10-10-2008 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Cali Coug (Post 277890)
They have support for their position. You don't.

Of course I do. You think I'm the only one with this opinion? Or that 538 and HuffPo are the only blogs on the Internet?

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Originally Posted by Cali Coug (Post 277890)
Not my fault you can't remember more than one discussion at a time.

Your A.D.D. is, though.

Tex 10-10-2008 05:17 PM

Here's an example:

http://stateoftheunion.files.wordpre...svsmccain1.jpg

The American people have decided to blame the Republicans for the market, and believe Obama can Moses us out of it. (Ha!) The debate is barely even a blip.

http://stateoftheunion.wordpress.com...-mccains-fall/

Tex 10-10-2008 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Cali Coug (Post 277930)
You don't have any good support.

0.77 correlation seems pretty good to me.

TripletDaddy 10-10-2008 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Cali Coug (Post 277930)
I should qualify my statement:

You don't have any good support.





Spend a bit longer next time on the witty banter. We will all reap the benefits.

Tex keeps busting out this ADD reference. Uses it too much, imo.

The other day, he giggled as he called me a POS.

I have impored him to work on his material and I really believe that he is doing so. Give him some time.

Tex 10-10-2008 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Cali Coug (Post 277944)
That is an indication that the economy is a factor, it is not an indication that the economy is the only factor, and it says nothing about whether or not the debates have had any impact. You are trying to prove the wrong point.

It's an indication the economy is the chief factor, and far better "proof" than anything you've offered.

And with that, I bow out of the Dance of Death. Cheers.

Tex 10-10-2008 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Cali Coug (Post 277949)
Your point was that the debate had ZERO affect on this race.

It hasn't.

Cali Coug 10-10-2008 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Tex (Post 277966)
It hasn't.

And he's back!

Then present some evidence supporting your view.

So far, you have only shown a .77 correlation between the economy and McCain's numbers (which actually suggests there are other factors at play, supporting my view, otherwise it would be a 1.0 correlation).

Cali Coug 10-14-2008 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Tex (Post 277034)
I seriously doubt NC will go Democrat. The thought is amusing.

By the way, Intrade now has Obama winning (55.1-41.9 are the prices right now).

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epo...obama-334.html

il Padrino Ute 10-14-2008 01:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Cali Coug (Post 277930)
I should qualify my statement:

You don't have any good support.

Define "good" support, other than that you don't agree.

Cali Coug 10-14-2008 03:44 AM

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Originally Posted by il Padrino Ute (Post 278821)
Define "good" support, other than that you don't agree.

Something that actually supports the proposition.

il Padrino Ute 10-14-2008 03:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Cali Coug (Post 278893)
Something that actually supports the proposition.

Fair enough.

BarbaraGordon 10-14-2008 01:08 PM

If McCain can't even win over a board full of Republican social conservatives, you know he's in trouble.

RockyBalboa 10-14-2008 02:31 PM

I'm writing in Jack Bauer

BlueK 10-14-2008 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by RockyBalboa (Post 278958)
I'm writing in Jack Bauer

if you're throwing your vote away anyway, why not vote for a real candidate?

Cali Coug 10-21-2008 02:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Tex (Post 277947)
It's an indication the economy is the chief factor, and far better "proof" than anything you've offered.

And with that, I bow out of the Dance of Death. Cheers.

Yet another survey is out indicating increased support for Obama. The chief reason given for people becoming more supportive of Obama? His role in the debates.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/...pStoryHeadline

il Padrino Ute 10-21-2008 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Cali Coug (Post 282106)
Yet another survey is out indicating increased support for Obama. The chief reason given for people becoming more supportive of Obama? His role in the debates.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/...pStoryHeadline

Style over less style. This is what America is coming to?

Sad.

Tex 10-21-2008 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Cali Coug (Post 282106)
Yet another survey is out indicating increased support for Obama. The chief reason given for people becoming more supportive of Obama? His role in the debates.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/...pStoryHeadline

I don't believe it, nor do I believe Obama has a 13-point edge. That alone classifies this poll as an outlier.

BarbaraGordon 10-21-2008 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by il Padrino Ute (Post 282227)
Sad.

That America doesn't want bellicose imbeciles in office?

il Padrino Ute 10-21-2008 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by BarbaraGordon (Post 282247)
That America doesn't want bellicose imbeciles in office?

No, sad that America wants a Marxist in the White House.

Cali Coug 10-21-2008 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by il Padrino Ute (Post 282307)
No, sad that America wants a Marxist in the White House.

Which America? The real one or the fake one?

BlueK 10-21-2008 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by il Padrino Ute (Post 282307)
No, sad that America wants a Marxist in the White House.

All this means is that the country is sick of fascism and is willing to see if socialism might be better. End result is pretty much the same: more debt and more big government. Anyone who votes for the lesser of evils pretty much deserves more of the same.

il Padrino Ute 10-21-2008 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Cali Coug (Post 282313)
Which America? The real one or the fake one?

You don't see it because you're blinded by the shiny Obama. Either that or you're a Marxist.

Save your condescension for another time.

Tex 10-21-2008 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by il Padrino Ute (Post 282323)
You don't see it because you're blinded by the shiny Obama. Either that or you're a Marxist.

Save your condescension for another time.

The day after the debate last week, USA Today had a list of items for the new president to tackle. #1 on the list: "reuniting the country." Tackling terrorism clocked in at #5 or #6.

It wasn't a scientific list of course ... just some writer/editor's idea for the front page graphic. But it reflects a reality. As long as Americans are more concerned about political unity and gov't handouts than they are about core capitalist principles and national security, men like Obama will be popular.

He promises the retraction of the oceans, the healing of the planet, freedom from risk in the market, and insulation from the business cycle. What's not to love?

BarbaraGordon 10-21-2008 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by il Padrino Ute (Post 282307)
No, sad that America wants a Marxist in the White House.

Better Marx than Napoleon.

Archaea 10-21-2008 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by BarbaraGordon (Post 282343)
Better Marx than Napoleon.

'I preferred Groucho to Karl, but we're getting Karl.

BarbaraGordon 10-21-2008 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Archaea (Post 282345)
'I preferred Groucho to Karl, but we're getting Karl.

I like Richard.

Cali Coug 10-21-2008 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Tex (Post 282329)
The day after the debate last week, USA Today had a list of items for the new president to tackle. #1 on the list: "reuniting the country." Tackling terrorism clocked in at #5 or #6.

It wasn't a scientific list of course ... just some writer/editor's idea for the front page graphic. But it reflects a reality. As long as Americans are more concerned about political unity and gov't handouts than they are about core capitalist principles and national security, men like Obama will be popular.

He promises the retraction of the oceans, the healing of the planet, freedom from risk in the market, and insulation from the business cycle. What's not to love?

Ah, I see. So THAT is the kind of poll you are wanting me to give to support my claim that the debate had an impact. All this time, non-scientific "polls" of one writer at USA Today represent the strongest evidence you can find.

Understood. I will try to find a single author at USA Today who said that the debates were important. Certainly that will convince you!

il Padrino Ute 10-21-2008 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by BarbaraGordon (Post 282343)
Better Marx than Napoleon.

We don't need Napoleon. We've had Napoleon for the last 8 years.

But we can't afford Marx.

Cali Coug 10-21-2008 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by il Padrino Ute (Post 282355)
We don't need Napoleon. We've had Napoleon for the last 8 years.

But we can't afford Marx.

Wow. Obama=Marx and McCain=Napolean. This debate sponsored by Archaea (the captain of all hyperbole) and the letters FU.

il Padrino Ute 10-21-2008 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Cali Coug (Post 282362)
Wow. Obama=Marx and McCain=Napolean. This debate sponsored by Archaea (the captain of all hyperbole) and the letters FU.

Bush = Napoleon

McCain is closer to Napoleon than to Marx, yes. But McCain won't appease those that will do us harm.

You disagree. Fine. But get over the fact that I disagree with you.

TripletDaddy 10-21-2008 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by BarbaraGordon (Post 282346)
I like Richard.

Your posts remind me of a John Mayer record......nobody listens to them.

BarbaraGordon 10-21-2008 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by TripletDaddy (Post 282366)
Your posts remind me of a John Mayer record......nobody listens to them.

I say what I need to say.

TripletDaddy 10-21-2008 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by BarbaraGordon (Post 282369)
I say what I need to say.

Me, too: Your body is a wonderland.

BarbaraGordon 10-21-2008 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by TripletDaddy (Post 282373)
Me, too: Your body is a wonderland.

The sexism around here is rampant. And you guys wonder why I'm waiting on the world to change.

Tex 10-21-2008 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Cali Coug (Post 282353)
Ah, I see. So THAT is the kind of poll you are wanting me to give to support my claim that the debate had an impact. All this time, non-scientific "polls" of one writer at USA Today represent the strongest evidence you can find.

Understood. I will try to find a single author at USA Today who said that the debates were important. Certainly that will convince you!

Hellooo, non sequitur.

Cali Coug 10-21-2008 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by il Padrino Ute (Post 282364)
Bush = Napoleon

McCain is closer to Napoleon than to Marx, yes. But McCain won't appease those that will do us harm.

You disagree. Fine. But get over the fact that I disagree with you.

I am over the fact that you disagree with me. If you think Obama=Marx, you aren't a person particularly worth persuading.


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