I never had a single calling while at BYU. I gave a talk once.

I never turned down a calling, nor turned down an invitation to speak.

Should I have been kicked out of school?

Where can I read this? All I've seen are comments from the kid's dad and roommate. I've been under the impression the bishop hasn't commented. If he has, and that was the best he could offer for the EE's withdrawal, then I agree the bishop is out of line.

It was the dad quoting the bishop. From Trib article:

Quoting from memory, especially one as old as mine, sometimes causes insertions which aren't there. I especially like the veiled threat by Economics Professor and dick stake president James Kearl. Unfortunately, he appears to be right minded on economics but wrong headed on athletics.

http://fhss.byu.edu/econ/faculty/kearl/

I am going to reserve judgement. I don't doubt there could be a Bishop that has much stricter interpretations than I do.

It is his calling and he brings his beliefs to the calling as do all Bishops. If we have what has been said, I am more upset with the system than I am the Bishop.

I don't care for people questionning my beliefs and so while I may have another opinion, I won't condemn him for his. Someone put him in this position. Apparently no one who counts is telling him he is wrong.

Well, it looks like a flawed system. A guy can yank an endorsement midstream even though it's not "chastity" based. What's up with that. That system needs revision.

I got into it with on of Kearl's Econ TA's. I was in the lab working on a problem and got help from a TA who proceeded to workout the entire problem for me. So I turned in my homework. Picked up my assignment a week later and the problem the TA did for me was wrong. I was livid. I spotted the TA in the lab and went up to him and told him thanks for nothing. He told me, "Sorry. I didn't grade your paper." I couldn't believe that this was his response.

So I took it up with Kearl who sided with his TA and basically dismissed what I his TA had done and said as if he hires only competent and the best TAs so he wouldn't have done something like that.

I can completely see him siding with the Bishop without even investigating the issue himself here.

I can also see that he's not loyal to BYU sports, here's where he got his undergrad:

He thereafter went to MIT for economics.

So he's an Aggie with a hatred for BYU sports.

Let me play my brother's advocate.

The kids knows of the requirement to maintain an EE, just like every other student. Did the Bishop just spring this on him? None of us know the Bishop's side to this and probably never will. As Mike has pointed out many times, tithing funds subsidize tuition in a very significant way (would it be unreasonable to say that BYU students pay only 10% of the costs invovled?). We all know that supply does not meet demand for those wanting to go to BYU.

Then why should a kid, regardless of whether or not he/she is an athlete, be allowed to attend if he/she cannot maintain an EE? It's very simple and the easiest aspect of staying qualified to attend the university. Or is much of this just about how it appears to the outside world?

I have little sympathy for people who can't follow simple instructions. Kind of like those folks in Florida in 2000 who wanted to vote for Al Gore but ended up voting for Pat Buchanan.

I guess this puts me firmly in the mullah camp.

I hope you aren't a mullah or I would have to fall in that camp too. I support the Bishop's right to do what he did. I do not feel I have the right to attack him personally. He didn't molest a child after all.

I do feel I have the right to disagree though with what he did. I look at it as having a difference of opinion. If in fact this kid is attending 50% of his meetings I find it hard to believe all Bishops wouldn't give this kid a EE. If this is the case, then you can't say EE is a standard that all kids are held the same too.

Can't you see the "anti-athlete" type seeing this as a power struggle? I can.

I can believe it wasn't a morality issue. And to pull it midsemester is obscene. You work on some type of probation. I've just seen some of those weird actions from BYU bishops, so the Drew story sounds very plausible to me. Only six times last semester? That still makes him active under Church standards. Why would the BYU bishop have that sort of power? It seems it should be decided upon by the home bishop not some rent-a-bishop from Springville Utah of mullah fame.
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