Originally Posted by myboynoah (Post 198745)

Whether or not he agrees is irrelevant at this point. His continued association with Mr. Wright as well as appointing him to a position in his campaign raises big questions Obama's judgement.

A better vetting process might have been in order.

Originally Posted by Cali Coug (Post 198747)

It seems worse to me that McCain would do that, knowing what those universities stand for (he articulated what they stand for in 2000- racism and intolerance) than it is that Obama attended a church with no proof that he realized the depth of intolerance of his pastor.

Originally Posted by il Padrino Ute (Post 198741)

Ok, you're not criticizing McCain himself, but you are playing the "his pastor is a dickhead too" game.

Originally Posted by myboynoah (Post 198750)

Well then, Obama must be the most clueless man in America.

Originally Posted by Cali Coug (Post 198747)

It is "weak" because it doesn't support your ridiculously narrow view of the topic.

Does it matter that McCain spoke at Liberty University, a university run by Jerry Falwell (need I remind you what he has said?) or that he noted he would accept an invitation to speak at Bob Jones University if invited? It seems worse to me that McCain would do that, knowing what those universities stand for (he articulated what they stand for in 2000- racism and intolerance) than it is that Obama attended a church with no proof that he realized the depth of intolerance of his pastor.

Originally Posted by il Padrino Ute (Post 198753)

Wow, you are really playing a good game tonight Cali.

It's worse that McCain would speak at those universities because of their hateful views, than it is that Obama associates with a man who is just as bigoted because there's no proof that Obama didn't realize what a bigot Wright is?

How could he not know?

Thanks for the laugh. It helped to ease the tension.

Originally Posted by Cali Coug (Post 198802)

Yes, it is.

As the facts are known:

Situation 1: Person knows an organization is hateful and racist, then accepts their invitation to speak and accepts the endorsement of the promoter of the organization.

Situation 2: Person does not know extent of racist and hateful statements made, is affiliated with that organization, discovers extent of statements, disavows statements.

Why is it so funny that situation 2 isn't as bad as situation 1?

Originally Posted by Cali Coug (Post 198752)

You didn't even attempt to respond with respect to McCain. At least try to have an honest conversation.

Originally Posted by SoonerCoug (Post 198689)

Is his pastor completely wrong when he says our nation is controlled by rich white people?

Originally Posted by hyrum (Post 198832)

When one says that as an excuse for why black people cannot elevate their social/financial status it is utter BS. There are a lot of poor people, including immigrants who started with no money and knowing barely a word of English, who have done quite well for themselves and their families.