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Tex 03-12-2009 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Archaea (Post 302127)
It's an honest reply for many persons.

I won't discuss it because I said I wouldn't. Why was I asked? I'm not certain, as those requirements were set forth during the 18th Century, and those setting that requirement are no longer living.

Heh, amusing. The guy that said "thou shalt not covet" has been dead a lot longer, but I'm guessing you've figured that one out in the meantime.

There's actually quite a bit that can be discussed outside the temple. It's not like there's anything particularly earth-shattering about the story of Adam and Eve, or covenants of obedience, sacrifice, chastity, etc. What we covenant not to reveal are tokens and signs.

MikeWaters 03-12-2009 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Tex (Post 302130)
Heh, amusing. The guy that said "thou shalt not covet" has been dead a lot longer, but I'm guessing you've figured that one out in the meantime.

There's actually quite a bit that can be discussed outside the temple. It's not like there's anything particularly earth-shattering about the story of Adam and Eve, or covenants of obedience, sacrifice, chastity, etc. What we covenant not to reveal are tokens and signs.

Don't I reveal tokens everytime I am at the gym in the lockerroom?

The point is that there is a lot of grey area. Can you talk about them abstractly? Can you talk about the covenants, specifically? Can you talk about the covenants, that were previously required? Can you talk about the dress/costume? etc, etc.

Tex 03-12-2009 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeWaters (Post 302132)
Don't I reveal tokens everytime I am at the gym in the lockerroom?

I have no idea what you do with men in the lockerroom, and I really don't want to.

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Originally Posted by MikeWaters (Post 302132)
The point is that there is a lot of grey area. Can you talk about them abstractly? Can you talk about the covenants, specifically? Can you talk about the covenants, that were previously required? Can you talk about the dress/costume? etc, etc.

Yes, there's gray. You are Whiner-In-Chief about how oppressive the church can be with it's rules. Congratulations, on this one you get to make the call. The only specific covenant not to reveal something surrounds tokens and signs. As to the rest, judge wisely.

I have no problem discussing the covenants with anyone. I tend not to discuss temple clothing because it only makes sense in the context of the ceremony, so someone who hasn't participated won't get it. But I suppose you could tell them, for all the good it would do.

MikeWaters 03-12-2009 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Tex (Post 302136)
I have no idea what you do with men in the lockerroom, and I really don't want to.



Yes, there's gray. You are Whiner-In-Chief about how oppressive the church can be with it's rules. Congratulations, on this one you get to make the call. The only specific covenant not to reveal something surrounds tokens and signs. As to the rest, judge wisely.

I have no problem discussing the covenants with anyone. I tend not to discuss temple clothing because it only makes sense in the context of the ceremony, so someone who hasn't participated won't get it. But I suppose you could tell them, for all the good it would do.

Tex, do you have a citation on this, or is it just your opinion?

MikeWaters 03-12-2009 08:09 PM

I think most people who watch it are going to yawn. However I suspect there are going to be some super-pissed Masons!

That's not a joke either. Imagine if a new religion started up by ex-Mormons used the temple ceremony and changed it up a bit for their own purposes.

Any publicity is good publicity. Every conversation that is brought up about this from your friends should end with you inviting them to a church meeting.

Tex 03-12-2009 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeWaters (Post 302138)
Tex, do you have a citation on this, or is it just your opinion?

My opinion. But I'll look and see if I can find some cites for ya.

MikeWaters 03-13-2009 06:49 PM

Orson Scott Card on Big Love:
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q...TRlMzg=&w=MA==

Ho-hum.

MikeWaters 03-17-2009 12:32 AM

http://newsblogs.chicagotribune.com/...h-mormons.html

SeattleUte 03-17-2009 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeWaters (Post 302163)
Orson Scott Card on Big Love:
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q...TRlMzg=&w=MA==

Ho-hum.

LOL. "Anger never pursuades anybody." Did he just recently learn that?


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