Liberals always doubling down on the wrong thing
 

Like booing Pence at a showing of "Hamilton."

http://nypost.com/2016/11/19/vp-elec...d-at-hamilton/

Do you think middle America feels shamed? Or yet again feels disgust at the elites for their condescension?

Neither side has any high road any longer. Some GOP voters were disgusting in how they responded to Obama, and now the elite believe the behavior they belittled is justified. Civility in American public discourse is absolutely and probably forever gone.

Disgust at the elites for their condescension.

Guess what I think about ex-Mormons trying to shame Mormons for voting for Trump.

It's not just exmos, I assure you. The DC LDS crowd is heavily McMullin and Trump voters are constantly complaining about getting "judged." I'd say my social circle is 60% McMullin, 30% Hillary, 10% Trump.

I haven't interacted with exmos for a long time.

My social circle involved about 30% Hillary, 35% Johnson, and 35% Trump. I didn't know anybody voting for Stein, unless SU voted for Stein, but I believe he voted for Hillary as he tends to vote for socialists. I am surprised SU wasn't campaigning for Sanders.

Forgot about Johnson, there're definitely Mormons who voted Johnson here.

Readjust

60% McMullin, 25% Hillary, 10% Trump, 5% Johnson.

Mormon McMullin voters are the absolute worst. Scum.

why?

because they are so naive. They're willing to vote for someone they know nothing about, just because he says he's so great and moral.

These same people...how do you think they would feel about Joseph Smith's polygamy if they knew the known historical details?

And how naive are a lot of Trump voters? There are lots of comments around the internet these days about how great things are going to be in a few months. Judging from those comments, lots of unemployed or underemployed folks think they'll suddenly magically be in line for a great job after Trump has a couple of months to change the world. It's not going to happen. In fact, they should really be hoping that Trump can't implement the dopiest of his ideas like shutting down global trade, because that would make things a lot worse for those who can afford it the least. Now if all he does is tinker with tax rates or remove some federal regulations, then yes, it might marginally improve.

many voters from all stripes are naive.

But what I find is that McMullin supporters liked to think of themselves as the very most thoughtful, moral, and ethical voters. Without knowing a darn thing about the guy.

All the establishment GOP candidates are pretty much the same. what else do you need to know?

He's not Trump and he's a neocon.

I hate Sanders. He's Trump plus socialism. The absolute worst. Saying you're a good kind of socialist, not like Stalin or Hitler or Lenin, is like saying you're a good kind of fascist or KKK. In this age anyone calling themselves a socialist hasn't a cracked history book, is addled, or just plain amorally ambitious and preying on ignorant masses.

There are a lot of barriers to Trump accomplishing most of his ludicrous and mean campaign promises; or maybe more precisely, realizing liberals' worst fears from inferences they make from his casual or perhaps calculated statements while campaigning. We've been erecting institutional walls against totalitarian takeover for over 200 years, including division of power.

The easiest way for him to screw up this country is to start trade wars and leave our Pacific Rim allies and trading partners with no choice but to ally with China and damage our economy on account of a few hundred thousand jobs that are doomed anyway in the long term. I'm counting on the Republican Congress to stand in his way. I'm afraid this is one area where he is more aligned with the Democrats, who have generally favored protectionism as they do more often favor other regulations on business. The Democrats' rhetoric on trade and capitalism has always been horrifying, during the campaigns, but until now nobody executed on it.

I agree. His campaign rhetoric on trade was frightening.

So you voted for Stein?

Pretty sure he voted for Hillary.

Another socialist. Did you see all the new programs she promised, including free tuition for all and free healthcare for all?

SU doesn't want to admit that he is a closet socialist.

Trump leans pretty socialist himself. He wants universal healthcare also and has said that many times. He's not a detail person, so who knows what this means for sure, but we do know he will at best not touch social security or other entitlements. The other question we should think about is if on top of economic socialism are we also headed toward a fascistic surveillance police state as well. In the UK a new domestic spying law just went into effect that gives local police the right to check in real time what any person is looking at on the internet with no judicial oversight. This is the kind of thing Soviet bloc countries only wished they could have done back in the day and now it's happening in a supposedly free country. Heaven help us if someone like Rudy Giuliani gets the homeland security director job. Undoubtedly he'd think something like this would be great for America.

About the new British law:
https://www.cnet.com/au/news/snooper...rveillance-uk/

Bill Clinton had enough credibility to ask Republicans to gut their tax cut blow job for the rich because he also rejected liberal pleas for more infrastructure spending. Now Trump wants to give the rich the same blow job while increasing infrastructure spending.

I am worried about the socialist tendencies of Trump. He really has no ideological foundation and was for most of his life a liberal Democrat.

I'm with BlueK. Some of us need to be about the business of preserving our civil liberties.

That is a given.

The saddest thing for me to read in that article is where it said the Brits can no longer look to to US as a moderating influence on something like this. That really sucks.