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creekster 09-18-2008 01:48 AM

Bronco is awesome
 
I ust listened to Bronco's interview on Jim Rome. What a guy. I think I have a man crush.

Jeff Lebowski 09-18-2008 02:27 AM

Is it on youtube or something? I notice it is on his web page, but I really don't want to subscribe to get access.

YOhio 09-18-2008 02:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski (Post 266703)
Is it on youtube or something? I notice it is on his web page, but I really don't want to subscribe to get access.

http://1280thezone.com/images/upload...h%20bronco.mp3

YOhio 09-18-2008 02:38 AM

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Originally Posted by creekster (Post 266699)
I ust listened to Bronco's interview on Jim Rome. What a guy. I think I have a man crush.

I liked him up until the time he challenged a call in the Washington game. What a jerk.

Jeff Lebowski 09-18-2008 02:43 AM

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Originally Posted by YOhio (Post 266705)
I liked him up until the time he challenged a call in the Washington game. What a jerk.

Twice! Such an a-hole.

DrumNFeather 09-18-2008 02:49 AM

I bet Bronco is a big supporter of Ed Hocculi.

ERCougar 09-18-2008 03:00 AM

Did I really just hear him reference "the Pride Cycle" in discussing football with Jim Rome?

Bronco rocks.

Jeff Lebowski 09-18-2008 03:10 AM

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Originally Posted by YOhio (Post 266704)

Thanks. Nice interview.

Cali Coug 09-18-2008 03:50 AM

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Originally Posted by YOhio (Post 266704)

That was great. Is the audio available from after the call? Jim generally talks about the call and his thoughts after the guest hangs up. What did he have to say?

BlueHair 09-18-2008 04:01 AM

That was a great interview. Perhaps it's only the local media he despises.

YOhio 09-18-2008 04:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Cali Coug (Post 266720)
That was great. Is the audio available from after the call? Jim generally talks about the call and his thoughts after the guest hangs up. What did he have to say?

He had two or three interviews after that, so I don't think he said a whole lot. Plus, he replayed an interview with Kobe in the first hour so the conversation would likely have been more about that.

exUte 09-18-2008 04:08 AM

He made up for it when he said:
 
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Originally Posted by YOhio (Post 266705)
I liked him up until the time he challenged a call in the Washington game. What a jerk.

"I normally don't keep a guest on that long but you EARNED it". That's quite the compliment.

Cali Coug 09-18-2008 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by YOhio (Post 266723)
He had two or three interviews after that, so I don't think he said a whole lot. Plus, he replayed an interview with Kobe in the first hour so the conversation would likely have been more about that.

That's too bad. I would have guessed the faxes and emails would have gone crazy over his "no premarital sex" quote and that several cracks would have been made about it, especially with Kobe on the same day.

jay santos 09-19-2008 05:35 PM

Just listened to the interview. YOhio, thanks for the link. I'm getting caught up on BYU stuff today. Darn work has been getting in the way lately.

I didn't like the interview. I really don't like the positioning of BYU as the place where mediocre yet super righteous athletes come and get overcoached to a quality football team. I don't think it's accurate. And I don't think it is the best recruiting pitch.

On the plus one non-BCS game, I like it as a short term solution. I want a playoff. But it's not a bad idea. The only bad thing would be if there was a requirement to share all the BCS revenue with every non-BCS conference.

Brian 09-19-2008 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by creekster (Post 266699)
I ust listened to Bronco's interview on Jim Rome. What a guy. I think I have a man crush.

Sing a hymn, brother.

OrangeUte 09-19-2008 05:52 PM

i appreciate what bronco is saying b/c byu does have good kids playing.

but i get very sick of hearing how much more special byu's students are - just b/c they are mormon kids who are married and have served missions doesn't make them better than other kids at other schools.

a few of the attorney's at my firm recently really offended another attorney who attended west point. they were stating that byu has different and better caliber of students than other colleges. the lds guys were really ripping on (even though we weren't talking about the U at that time), but their comments were self-righteous and pompous.

bronco came across as self-righteous and even gimmicky with his "slogans" talk... i was starting to like him because i was buying into the impression that he wasn't drinking this koolaid - that he was a football coach and this "quest for perfection" stuff was just him playing to the LDS leaders at the school and big donors that wanted to hear that stuff.

unfortunately, all that interview did for me was to prove that he really is as big of a homer as he sounds.

creekster 09-19-2008 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by OrangeUte (Post 267337)

unfortunately, all that interview did for me was to prove that he really is as big of a homer as he sounds.


You should let him know. I am sure he will care.

Why that sounds harsh, my point is it works for him now. If it stops working, the approach will change.

OrangeUte 09-19-2008 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by creekster (Post 267338)
You should let him know. I am sure he will care.

Why that sounds harsh, my point is it works for him now. If it stops working, the approach will change.

i know he won't care, duh. to go on a national talk-show and spout off the same stuff, with the same vigor as he does to the local media, seems proof enough to me that bronco is as lame as he sounds. i doubt his approach will change, but i hope you're right b/c it's embarassing, in my opinion.

Indy Coug 09-19-2008 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by OrangeUte (Post 267358)
i know he won't care, duh. to go on a national talk-show and spout off the same stuff, with the same vigor as he does to the local media, seems proof enough to me that bronco is as lame as he sounds. i doubt his approach will change, but i hope you're right b/c it's embarassing, in my opinion.

He should give it up because it's obvious it's not working for him.

OrangeUte 09-19-2008 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by jay santos (Post 267325)
I didn't like the interview. I really don't like the positioning of BYU as the place where mediocre yet super righteous athletes come and get overcoached to a quality football team. I don't think it's accurate. And I don't think it is the best recruiting pitch.

i agree with you on this jay. it would have been better if bronco had said that byu has great athletes and left the super righteous babble out of the interview. byu is beating the shit out of people right now because they are well coached, prepared, and they have excellent athletes.

creekster 09-19-2008 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by OrangeUte (Post 267358)
i know he won't care, duh. to go on a national talk-show and spout off the same stuff, with the same vigor as he does to the local media, seems proof enough to me that bronco is as lame as he sounds. i doubt his approach will change, but i hope you're right b/c it's embarassing, in my opinion.

I am right. You just hope it stops working. I hope it keeps working. That it also bothers Utes is a bonus, for me.

OrangeUte 09-19-2008 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Indy Coug (Post 267359)
He should give it up because it's obvious it's not working for him.

right. that's what i said boy wonder!

OrangeUte 09-19-2008 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by creekster (Post 267363)
I am right. You just hope it stops working. I hope it keeps working. That it also bothers Utes is a bonus, for me.

obviously it bothers me as a ute, and as a member of the church byu supposedly represents. i think it's self-righteous.

creekster 09-19-2008 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by OrangeUte (Post 267365)
obviously it bothers me as a ute, and as a member of the church byu supposedly represents. i think it's self-righteous.

Bonus score!

YOhio 09-19-2008 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by OrangeUte (Post 267365)
obviously it bothers me as a ute, and as a member of the church byu supposedly represents. i think it's self-righteous.

To paraphrase the Nature Boy Ric Flair, "We got it. You want it. But you can't have it. Whoooooooo!!!!!! Whooooooooo!!!!!!"

OrangeUte 09-19-2008 06:32 PM

hahahaha! nice nature boy reference - that made me laugh!

Indy Coug 09-19-2008 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by jay santos (Post 267325)
I really don't like the positioning of BYU as the place where mediocre yet super righteous athletes come and get overcoached to a quality football team.

Mediocre? Our offense is probably the most talented offense BYU has ever had from top to bottom on the starting unit.

jay santos 09-19-2008 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Indy Coug (Post 267375)
Mediocre? Our offense is probably the most talented offense BYU has ever had from top to bottom on the starting unit.

http://www.learnmarketing.net/positioning.htm

OrangeUte 09-19-2008 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Indy Coug (Post 267375)
Mediocre? Our offense is probably the most talented offense BYU has ever had from top to bottom on the starting unit.

good grief - do you read what anybody writes? that's not what jay said. i thought it was only my comments that you took out of context.

Indy Coug 09-19-2008 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by jay santos (Post 267377)

I listened to the Bronco interview and he certainly didn't imply that he goes after mediocre athletes.

OrangeUte 09-19-2008 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by jay santos (Post 267377)

that's interesting. i do nothing with marketing, so those concepts are new to me.

i wonder if byu has targeted a national market, or if they are limiting themselves to only wanting an LDS or religious persons market?

if byu does want a national market, is the bronco approach of touting righteousness and family values the way to get it? i'm sure it will work with some who would like the good kids having kids and not drinking, etc. crowd. but others (obviously like me) will get offended because of the preachy, self-righteous and condescending tone. maybe there are more people that will buy this than i thought!

splitbamboo 09-19-2008 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by OrangeUte (Post 267391)
that's interesting. i do nothing with marketing, so those concepts are new to me.

i wonder if byu has targeted a national market, or if they are limiting themselves to only wanting an LDS or religious persons market?

if byu does want a national market, is the bronco approach of touting righteousness and family values the way to get it? i'm sure it will work with some who would like the good kids having kids and not drinking, etc. crowd. but others (obviously like me) will get offended because of the preachy, self-righteous and condescending tone. maybe there are more people that will buy this than i thought!

I think that's why you only see a handful of non-members signing up. And why you see a handful of members, who are good enough, not. He's working with a decidedly small group.

Indy Coug 09-19-2008 06:59 PM

The count of mediocre athletes offered scholarships for 2009:

Five stars: 1
Four stars: 8
Three stars: 7
Two stars: 8
One stars (i.e. unevaluated): 1

It doesn't look like this is particularly bottom heavy.

http://byu.scout.com/a.z?s=338&p=9&c=4&yr=2009

8ballrollin 09-19-2008 07:03 PM

The interview on Seattle's sports station, prior to the game up here, was on par with the Rome interview and maybe even a little bit better. The local host was impressed and Bronco came across really well – from a BYU perspective.

Here is a link...

http://a1135.g.akamai.net/f/1135/182...ahler_OnDemand

creekster 09-19-2008 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by splitbamboo (Post 267401)
I think that's why you only see a handful of non-members signing up. And why you see a handful of members, who are good enough, not. He's working with a decidedly small group.


BYU always works with a decideely small group. You are kidding yourslef if you think otherwsie, IMO. I think he is trying to maximize his leverage with that group.

Tex 09-19-2008 07:05 PM

We need a righteousness rating system. 5-stars are RMs with no chastity, word of wisdom issues, etc. 1-stars are non-members who it's all the football office can do to keep their shenanigans under wraps.

Some of you with spare time ... get it started.

splitbamboo 09-19-2008 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by creekster (Post 267406)
BYU always works with a decideely small group. You are kidding yourslef if you think otherwsie, IMO. I think he is trying to maximize his leverage with that group.

He keeps using the term "self-select". BYU keeps winning and we'll see more of the LDS multi-star athletes "self-select"... And we'll see the Coach's methods chiseled in granite.

It's so nice to be a Cougar right now!

jay santos 09-19-2008 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Indy Coug (Post 267402)
The count of mediocre athletes offered scholarships for 2009:

Five stars: 1
Four stars: 8
Three stars: 7
Two stars: 8
One stars (i.e. unevaluated): 1

It doesn't look like this is particularly bottom heavy.

http://byu.scout.com/a.z?s=338&p=9&c=4&yr=2009

You're not understanding my point.

Bronco's positioning: "we're a church school. We don't recruit, players self select us. We go after a different kind of athlete. We are here first to represent the church and the values and as football players secondarily. We develop a system that can make these kind of players successful".

result: people like Manti Te'o only refer to BYU as a place where there's a good Mormon environment but refers to other schools in terms of football. His dad calls BYU a team of "no stars" ,i.e. 5 star vs 4 star vs no stars.

Another way to position: "Our football program is first and foremost about football. We have coaches that have played in the NFL and have produced many NFL players. We are a top 20 program that can compete with any BCS program. We have a rich tradition with national championship, Heisman winner, and Super Bowl champions. We are a TE and QB factory which no school can rival. If you want to go on a mission, that's fine but you won't be pressured into it. If you are a high school kid who wants to play in the NFL, come here. Compare Brett Keisel to JT Mapu, etc. Oh and by the way, BYU is a special university which represents the church and what we believe to be a high moral standard. If you are LDS you will greatly enjoy the LDS environment in addition to what our football program offers."

I wonder if this might be a better way to position ourselves.

Indy Coug 09-19-2008 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by jay santos (Post 267415)
You're not understanding my point.

Bronco's positioning: "we're a church school. We don't recruit, players self select us. We go after a different kind of athlete. We are here first to represent the church and the values and as football players secondarily. We develop a system that can make these kind of players successful".

result: people like Manti Te'o only refer to BYU as a place where there's a good Mormon environment but refers to other schools in terms of football. His dad calls BYU a team of "no stars" ,i.e. 5 star vs 4 star vs no stars.

Another way to position: "Our football program is first and foremost about football. We have coaches that have played in the NFL and have produced many NFL players. We are a top 20 program that can compete with any BCS program. We have a rich tradition with national championship, Heisman winner, and Super Bowl champions. We are a TE and QB factory which no school can rival. If you want to go on a mission, that's fine but you won't be pressured into it. If you are a high school kid who wants to play in the NFL, come here. Compare Brett Keisel to JT Mapu, etc. Oh and by the way, BYU is a special university which represents the church and what we believe to be a high moral standard. If you are LDS you will greatly enjoy the LDS environment in addition to what our football program offers."

I wonder if this might be a better way to position ourselves.

OK, but we now have several years of Bronco data to see how your theory matches up with reality. I see nothing from reality that would indicate that the problematic items in your theory have significant merit.

creekster 09-19-2008 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by jay santos (Post 267415)
You're not understanding my point.

Bronco's positioning: "we're a church school. We don't recruit, players self select us. We go after a different kind of athlete. We are here first to represent the church and the values and as football players secondarily. We develop a system that can make these kind of players successful".

result: people like Manti Te'o only refer to BYU as a place where there's a good Mormon environment but refers to other schools in terms of football. His dad calls BYU a team of "no stars" ,i.e. 5 star vs 4 star vs no stars.

Another way to position: "Our football program is first and foremost about football. We have coaches that have played in the NFL and have produced many NFL players. We are a top 20 program that can compete with any BCS program. We have a rich tradition with national championship, Heisman winner, and Super Bowl champions. We are a TE and QB factory which no school can rival. If you want to go on a mission, that's fine but you won't be pressured into it. If you are a high school kid who wants to play in the NFL, come here. Compare Brett Keisel to JT Mapu, etc. Oh and by the way, BYU is a special university which represents the church and what we believe to be a high moral standard. If you are LDS you will greatly enjoy the LDS environment in addition to what our football program offers."

I wonder if this might be a better way to position ourselves.


This may sound more flip than I mean it to, but if BYU starts losing, I am sure he'll consider it. In the meantime, scorebaord.


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