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Archaea 01-06-2008 02:45 PM

BYU's loss to Boise
 
took all the enthusiasm I had for this bball team. To lose to such a lowly lowlife kinda sucks.

I'm doubtful they defeat Wake Forest and we will lose a few on the road in conference. It appears to be another One and Done in the NCAAs. Please show me an argument I am in error.

How does a team blow an eleven point lead to the schmucks a Boise?

MikeWaters 01-06-2008 03:07 PM

I'm with you. Tavernari's unpunished behavior and the BSU loss, all the same time, killed my interest.

SeattleUte 01-06-2008 03:16 PM

A lot of unearned arrogance here. Your program is schmuck. Always has been and always will be.

Indy Coug 01-06-2008 05:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Archaea (Post 170808)
took all the enthusiasm I had for this bball team. To lose to such a lowly lowlife kinda sucks.

I'm doubtful they defeat Wake Forest and we will lose a few on the road in conference. It appears to be another One and Done in the NCAAs. Please show me an argument I am in error.

How does a team blow an eleven point lead to the schmucks a Boise?

A bad 5 minute stretch is all that's needed to kill your enthusiasm for any team. Bandwaggoner.

non sequitur 01-06-2008 06:04 PM

Every year there's a couple of games you lose that you should win, and a couple of games you win that you should lose. That's basketball. You need to learn to just enjoy the sport.

il Padrino Ute 01-06-2008 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by non sequitur (Post 170852)
Every year there's a couple of games you lose that you should win, and a couple of games you win that you should lose. That's basketball. You need to learn to just enjoy the sport.

Agreed. For me, sports is all about the competition. Sure, it's more fun to win, but the best part is always the actual sport itself, rather than the outcome of the event.

Archaea 01-06-2008 06:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by non sequitur (Post 170852)
Every year there's a couple of games you lose that you should win, and a couple of games you win that you should lose. That's basketball. You need to learn to just enjoy the sport.

Wake me up when we win one we should lose.

il Padrino Ute 01-06-2008 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Archaea (Post 170863)
Wake me up when we win one we should lose.

Louisville?

woot 01-06-2008 06:46 PM

I'm still on board, but that BSU loss was a killer. If that's the only stupid loss we have all year it'll still be a big improvement. A few in the conference have pretty good RPIs, as does wake forest, so if we go on a run here we'll be back in the top 25 in no time at all and in good shape for an upper-bracket seed.

Jeff Lebowski 01-06-2008 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by il Padrino Ute (Post 170866)
Louisville?

Arch has a very short memory.

RockyBalboa 01-07-2008 02:30 AM

It's very clear Mike and Arch boardmailed each other with the intent to troll on this particular subject.

Your trolling is too obvious and juvenile.

Other than that, I'll throw the challenge down....stop watching them altogether if your hyperbole in it lowering your interest is accurate.

But you can't and you know it despite your claims of indifference.

If you're gonna troll like and be so blatant about it,,,,at least try to tell the truth.

MikeWaters 01-07-2008 02:54 AM

Rocky, I've stopped watching.

I've been busy, and it is now much lower on my priority list. I haven't looked up when games are occuring, much less watched them on TV.

Are you happy now?

jay santos 01-07-2008 01:59 PM

The Boise game was terrible. I'm frustrated, but I'm never one to give up on them. I'm not being a self-righteous fan, it's just a lot different when you have the chance to follow the team watching all the home games live. You develop a relationship of sorts with the team and enjoy watching the players develop and the team improve over a season.

The main thing I'm watching this last month and is key for the rest of the season is what is going on with Tavernari. I've seen him play enough good ball that I know he is a player. With him playing his potential, this team can make a Sweet 16 run. Without him, we don't win a game in the NCAA.

I know Rose must be pulling his hair out with this guy because he knows he needs him, but he also can't let him ruin the team. JT seems to be borderline mentally, so Rose has a real tap dance. When I listen to Rose on the radio, he sounds very confident and seems to have a great perspective on how to handle this team.

I remain optimistic Rose can bring JT around.

BlueK 01-07-2008 03:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Archaea (Post 170808)
took all the enthusiasm I had for this bball team. To lose to such a lowly lowlife kinda sucks.

I'm doubtful they defeat Wake Forest and we will lose a few on the road in conference. It appears to be another One and Done in the NCAAs. Please show me an argument I am in error.

How does a team blow an eleven point lead to the schmucks a Boise?

would it help if BSU won the WAC? Right now they're looking like the best team in their league. They have no respect but they really aren't THAT bad this year. But I agree it was still a very disappointing performance by our team.

BlueK 01-07-2008 03:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SeattleUte (Post 170817)
A lot of unearned arrogance here. Your program is schmuck. Always has been and always will be.

Then it will really suck for you when we extend the streak over Utah to four games. Oh yeah, you're not a real Utah fan anyway. At least not since the days of Jerry Pimm and his white afro. Nevermind.

Archaea 01-07-2008 03:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlueK (Post 171111)
would it help if BSU won the WAC? Right now they're looking like the best team in their league. They have no respect but they really aren't THAT bad this year. But I agree it was still a very disappointing performance by our team.

The WAC sucks this year.

I expected us to dust them by twenty and a loss to a lousy team always changes my disposition. I was looking forward to this season because it might have been one where the team was more than a regionally good team. But I was in error again. A low level national team does not lose to Boise. Not ever. I watched the first half and Boise looked lost and incompetent.

Goatnapper'96 01-07-2008 03:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Archaea (Post 171120)
The WAC sucks this year.

I expected us to dust them by twenty and a loss to a lousy team always changes my disposition. I was looking forward to this season because it might have been one where the team was more than a regionally good team. But I was in error again. A low level national team does not lose to Boise. Not ever. I watched the first half and Boise looked lost and incompetent.

Archaea, you are a good guy but you don't know as much about it as you think you do. If you did know much you wouldn't have expect BYU to dust them by 20.

This is not a horrific team in Boise, BYU played poorly on the road and barely lost. It is still entirely conceivable that BYU is still one of the top 32 national teams.

Matt Nelson, you cannot stop him you can only hope to contain him.

non sequitur 01-07-2008 04:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Archaea (Post 171120)
A low level national team does not lose to Boise. Not ever. I watched the first half and Boise looked lost and incompetent.

You simply don't understand basketball. Upsets happen all the time in basketball, especially on the road. We played a good first half against BSU, but they got hot in the second half and couldn't miss a 3-pointer. That happens. And why do you keep insisting they're a low-level team? They're 11-3 so far this year. That seems pretty respectable.

Archaea 01-07-2008 04:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by non sequitur (Post 171160)
You simply don't understand basketball. Upsets happen all the time in basketball, especially on the road. We played a good first half against BSU, but they got hot in the second half and couldn't miss a 3-pointer. That happens. And why do you keep insisting they're a low-level team? They're 11-3 so far this year. That seems pretty respectable.

They are from the WAC, and the WAC has no ranked teams.

Indy Coug 01-07-2008 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Archaea (Post 171161)
They are from the WAC, and the WAC has no ranked teams.

Arch, do you have any clue what the winning percentage is for home games in college basketball, particularly for top 100 RPI teams? It's astronomical.

Archaea 01-07-2008 04:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Indy Coug (Post 171163)
Arch, do you have any clue what the winning percentage is for home games in college basketball, particularly for top 100 RPI teams? It's astronomical.

It's significantly in favor of the home team.

Yet if BYU is to win a Tourney game it must be capable of winning games at Boise.

So, unfortunately, we don't appear capable of winning a Tourney game.

MikeWaters 01-07-2008 05:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Archaea (Post 171167)
It's significantly in favor of the home team.

Yet if BYU is to win a Tourney game it must be capable of winning games at Boise.

So, unfortunately, we don't appear capable of winning a Tourney game.

Archaea, you are an idiot. Don't you know anything about basketball. The WAC is solid this year. According to Sagarin, there are 16 conferences worse than the WAC!!!

Code:

  1  PACIFIC-10              =  83.61      83.46  (  1)    10
  2  BIG 12                  =  81.86      82.40  (  3)    12
  3  ATLANTIC COAST          =  81.42      82.64  (  2)    12
  4  BIG EAST                =  81.24      81.01  (  4)    16
  5  BIG TEN                =  80.08      80.27  (  5)    11
  6  SOUTHEASTERN            =  79.47      80.08  (  6)    12
  7  MOUNTAIN WEST          =  77.52      77.17  (  9)      9
  8  MISSOURI VALLEY        =  77.22      77.48  (  7)    10
  9  ATLANTIC 10            =  77.00      77.20  (  8)    14
  10  HORIZON                =  75.42      75.47  ( 10)    10
  11  CONFERENCE USA          =  74.87      74.93  ( 11)    12
  12  MID-AMERICAN            =  73.94      73.85  ( 12)    12
  13  WEST COAST              =  73.33      73.81  ( 13)      8
  14  SOUTHERN                =  72.20      71.38  ( 17)    11
  15  BIG WEST                =  72.02      71.88  ( 14)      9
  16  WESTERN ATHLETIC        =  71.91      71.30  ( 18)      9
  17  COLONIAL                =  71.58      71.78  ( 15)    12
  18  SUN BELT                =  71.36      71.47  ( 16)    13
  19  SUMMIT LEAGUE          =  70.29      70.85  ( 19)    10
  20  METRO ATLANTIC          =  70.16      70.46  ( 20)    10
  21  PATRIOT                =  69.45      69.91  ( 21)      8
  22  BIG SKY                =  69.30      69.03  ( 23)      9
  23  SOUTHLAND              =  68.74      69.53  ( 22)    12
  24  BIG SOUTH              =  68.45      68.80  ( 24)      8
  25  NORTHEAST              =  67.54      67.41  ( 25)    11
  26  IVY LEAGUE              =  67.02      67.41  ( 26)      8
  27  AMERICA EAST            =  66.41      66.67  ( 27)      9
  28  ATLANTIC SUN            =  66.10      65.64  ( 28)    12
  29  OHIO VALLEY            =  64.97      64.79  ( 29)    11
  30  MID-EASTERN            =  64.00      64.45  ( 30)    12
  31  INDEPENDENTS            =  61.85      61.60  ( 31)      9
  32  SOUTHWESTERN            =  60.00      60.31  ( 32)    10


jay santos 01-07-2008 05:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Archaea (Post 171167)
It's significantly in favor of the home team.

Yet if BYU is to win a Tourney game it must be capable of winning games at Boise.

So, unfortunately, we don't appear capable of winning a Tourney game.

We could find you hundreds of data points over the last ten years of teams that won a tourney game that had a loss as bad as the Boise game. Obviously losing to Boise does not eliminate your chances to win a tourney game.

But...we better start playing a lot better if we want to put ourselves in a position to win a tourney game.

Archaea 01-07-2008 05:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jay santos (Post 171170)
We could find you hundreds of data points over the last ten years of teams that won a tourney game that had a loss as bad as the Boise game. Obviously losing to Boise does not eliminate your chances to win a tourney game.

But...we better start playing a lot better if we want to put ourselves in a position to win a tourney game.

Yes but most of those teams come from BCS conferences. We don't have that luxury and we're looking like an 11 seed and a one and done again.

Indy Coug 01-07-2008 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeWaters (Post 171168)
Archaea, you are an idiot. Don't you know anything about basketball. The WAC is solid this year. According to Sagarin, there are 16 conferences worse than the WAC!!!


It's too bad we don't play the entire conference.


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