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DrumNFeather 04-24-2008 08:35 PM

NFL Draft
 
Do we have any NFL draft watchers in the house?

I must say that I enjoy watching the NFL draft (meaning, having it on while I do other things, like putting a crib together this weekend).

I particularly enjoy seeing who my team is picking, who unexpectedly falls, and which MWC players get drafted.

I saw a 7 round mock draft that has Philly taking Bryan Kehl in the 3rd round. Beau Bell was a 5th rounder, as was Davic Roch (TCU) and Tommy Blake fell to the 7th.

I think that if Blake can get his act together, he could be a real steal.

Indy Coug 04-24-2008 08:37 PM

If they got the draft to the point where there were 3 minutes between picks, I would start watching.

MikeWaters 04-24-2008 08:37 PM

I like seeing who the Jets pick in the first round.

cougjunkie 04-24-2008 09:02 PM

I am doing a mock draft on friday with some buddies (one of which posts on this board) and then I will watch every minute of the draft on both saturday and sunday. I love the NFL draft!

MikeWaters 04-24-2008 09:03 PM

Kiper said if Matt Ryan isn't picked in the first 8 picks, he will quit the business.

He said this on Mike&Mike.

cougjunkie 04-24-2008 09:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MikeWaters (Post 212947)
Kiper said if Matt Ryan isn't picked in the first 8 picks, he will quit the business.

He said this on Mike&Mike.

Ryan will go to either Atlanta at 3, Kansas City at 5 or Baltimore at 8. No way he slides past Baltimore with Steve Mcnair retiring.

Hot Lunch 04-24-2008 09:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DrumNFeather (Post 212926)
Do we have any NFL draft watchers in the house?

I must say that I enjoy watching the NFL draft (meaning, having it on while I do other things, like putting a crib together this weekend).

I particularly enjoy seeing who my team is picking, who unexpectedly falls, and which MWC players get drafted.

I saw a 7 round mock draft that has Philly taking Bryan Kehl in the 3rd round. Beau Bell was a 5th rounder, as was Davic Roch (TCU) and Tommy Blake fell to the 7th.

I think that if Blake can get his act together, he could be a real steal.

I will watch every minute of the NFL draft.

cougjunkie 04-24-2008 09:41 PM

My top 5 looks like this for now:

1. Miami- Jake Long
2. St. Louis- Glenn Dorsey
3. Atlanta- Matt Ryan
4. Oakland- Darren Mcfadden (Howies boy will be hard to pass up here, but Al Davis loves the sexy pick)
5. Chiefs- Chris Long


6. Jets- Vernon Gholston
7. Patriots- Mike Jenkins (I think they take a corner or LB here, Rodgers-Cromartie, Jenkins, Talib and Mckelvin are all even)
8. Baltimore- Sedrick Ellis (with Ngata and Ellis, Baltimore is sitting pretty for a long time at D-line)
9. Bengals- Keith Rivers (they were awful at LB last year, Rivers is a nice piece)
10. Saints- Leodis Mckelvin

Also since I am a Miami fan I think Miamis draft looks like this:

1.(1) Jake Long: OT, Michigan
2.(32) Malcom Kelly : WR, Oklahoma (if they trade Jason Taylor this could be Lawrence Jackson, it could also very easily be Chad Henne)
2. (57) Antoine Cason: CB, Arizona (not sure if he falls this far but if not him then another corner possibly Patrick Lee)
3. (64) Joe Flacco:QB, Deleware (they will take a QB in either the 2nd or 3rd round of this draft)
4. (100) Jermichael Finley: TE, Texas (they really need a tight end in this offense)
6. (196) Nick Hayden: DT, Wisconsin (the 6th round is where your scouts make their money)
6. (204)Jonathen Hefney: S, Tennessee (they looked like BYU at the safety position last year, starting 5 safeties on the season)
7. (208) Allen Patrick: RB, Oklahoma (this could also be a little more help on the O-line)
7. (245) Marcus Monk: WR, Arkansas

I would also not be surprised if Jason Taylor is traded (probably a late first or early second round as well as a future 4th or 5th round pick) and Miami packages a few other picks to move up.

MikeWaters 04-24-2008 09:43 PM

I don't think Flacco will go to the third round. Sorry.

Hot Lunch 04-24-2008 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeWaters (Post 212987)
I don't think Flacco will go to the third round. Sorry.

You are right. He won't make it past the middle of the 2nd round.

cougjunkie 04-24-2008 09:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MikeWaters (Post 212987)
I don't think Flacco will go to the third round. Sorry.

You may be right, but most people have Ryan, Henne and Brohm ahead of him on draftboards.

Team that will take a qb for sure in the 1st two rounds are:

Atlanta
Baltimore
Chicago


Other than that, its not like last year with so many qbs going in the 1st two rounds last year a lot of needs have been filled.

Kansas City
Green Bay
Miami

are all teams that could take a qb high. I think Miami does what it takes to get Flacco or Henne.

TheSizzle36 04-24-2008 10:03 PM

I have watched every NFL draft with the exception of the two years I was on my mission (and even then my dad sent me a complete list of who went where) since I was 12 or so. I love it. It is my football fix in the middle of spring.

I like CJ's top 10 and I think it could shake down that way if there aren't any trades. Having said that, I think there is some movement making things hard to predict.

I also don't think Flacco falls into the 3rd round. Word out of Miami is they are hoping to get another 1st round pick to move back up to get a guy who they don't think is available with the first pick of round 2. I wonder if that is Henne, or Flacco.

Either way, the draft will be interesting...

MikeWaters 04-24-2008 10:11 PM

I heard Miami likes Henne.

TheSizzle36 04-24-2008 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeWaters (Post 213019)
I heard Miami likes Henne.

I don't think Henne is the guy, although there is a team rumored to be interested in Henne in the mid to late 1st. Not sure who that is, as I think that would be a bit of a reach. I wonder if teams look at Henne and hope they aren't missing the next Tom Brady...

Hot Lunch 04-24-2008 10:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cougjunkie (Post 212997)
You may be right, but most people have Ryan, Henne and Brohm ahead of him on draftboards.

Team that will take a qb for sure in the 1st two rounds are:

Atlanta
Baltimore
Chicago


Other than that, its not like last year with so many qbs going in the 1st two rounds last year a lot of needs have been filled.

Kansas City
Green Bay
Miami

are all teams that could take a qb high. I think Miami does what it takes to get Flacco or Henne.


Don't forget the Jets. Not sure if they are sold on what they have in place. Another possibility is the Panthers, they don't want to have the mess they had when Delhome went down last year and he is getting up there in age and next years draft will not be quarterback rich. With that being said there might be other teams that will look into that and take a qb higher than they would this year because of the depth next year.

I also wouldn't be surprised if the Titans take a qb this draft. Just a thought.

DrumNFeather 04-25-2008 12:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hot Lunch (Post 213039)
Don't forget the Jets. Not sure if they are sold on what they have in place. Another possibility is the Panthers, they don't want to have the mess they had when Delhome went down last year and he is getting up there in age and next years draft will not be quarterback rich. With that being said there might be other teams that will look into that and take a qb higher than they would this year because of the depth next year.

I also wouldn't be surprised if the Titans take a qb this draft. Just a thought.

If McFadden is on the board and the Jets take Ryan, that will be some quality TV. Watching the Jet fans boo their selection is fun...I suspect that is why Waters watches for the Jets.

I'm hoping that the Redskins can trade down and aquire more picks. Some of these teams with QB needs could trade up to #21 and take Brohm...it might be too high for him, but if Atlanta doesn't go QB at #3, then everyone knows that Brohm or Flacco won't make it past pick 33 or 34.

DrumNFeather 04-25-2008 12:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cougjunkie (Post 212981)

I would also not be surprised if Jason Taylor is traded (probably a late first or early second round as well as a future 4th or 5th round pick) and Miami packages a few other picks to move up.

I just hope Washington isn't the sucker that trades its first rounder for Taylor. Not that he wouldn't be productive, but at 33 going on 34, he's not worth that price.

MikeWaters 04-25-2008 12:08 AM

No way I would give out that much for Taylor. That's like trading 8 years for 2 years.

DrumNFeather 04-25-2008 12:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MikeWaters (Post 213060)
No way I would give out that much for Taylor. That's like trading 8 years for 2 years.

Exactly. He's worth a third rounder at best.

RockyBalboa 04-25-2008 12:19 AM

I really enjoy watching it.

I'm glad they cut down from 15 to 10 minutes in the 1st round between picks. They need to cut it down even more.

Course, now that I'm deciding which team I should cheer for to be my #1 team, I don't know if it'll make watching the draft more or less interesting.

I'll say this: Chad Henne imo, might be the most underated player in the draft.

DrumNFeather 04-25-2008 12:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RockyBalboa (Post 213064)
I really enjoy watching it.

I'm glad they cut down from 15 to 10 minutes in the 1st round between picks. They need to cut it down even more.

Course, now that I'm deciding which team I should cheer for to be my #1 team, I don't know if it'll make watching the draft more or less interesting.

I'll say this: Chad Henne imo, might be the most underated player in the draft.

He's certainly one of them.

Not to be a MWC homer, but like I said in my initial post, if Tommy Blake can get his act together, he is a steal for anyone who takes him on Day 2. Personally, I'd love to see him on the Redskins, as would I Kehl.

Come to think of it Rockey, if you are going to forsake the Cowboys, you should make the complete transformation and cheer for the Redskins. Plus, it's a short term committment, as Dan Snyder will probably pull a Jerry Jones sooner or later. After all, he is his idol.

RockyBalboa 04-25-2008 02:37 AM

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Originally Posted by DrumNFeather (Post 213070)
He's certainly one of them.

Not to be a MWC homer, but like I said in my initial post, if Tommy Blake can get his act together, he is a steal for anyone who takes him on Day 2. Personally, I'd love to see him on the Redskins, as would I Kehl.

Come to think of it Rockey, if you are going to forsake the Cowboys, you should make the complete transformation and cheer for the Redskins. Plus, it's a short term committment, as Dan Snyder will probably pull a Jerry Jones sooner or later. After all, he is his idol.

I will never cheer for the Redskins.

Ever.

I agree on Tommy Blake.

Also I think the SDSU QB O'Connell...is going to be a late round steal.

DrumNFeather 04-25-2008 02:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RockyBalboa (Post 213084)
I will never cheer for the Redskins.

Ever.

I agree on Tommy Blake.

Also I think the SDSU QB O'Connell...is going to be a late round steal.

Is your hatred centered just on the fact that they are a Dallas NFC East rival? Or does it go deeper than that? Dan Snyder perhaps?

RockyBalboa 04-25-2008 04:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DrumNFeather (Post 213085)
Is your hatred centered just on the fact that they are a Dallas NFC East rival? Or does it go deeper than that? Dan Snyder perhaps?

I've grown up a Cowboys fan.

Cowboys vs. Redskins is one of the best rivalries in the NFL.

If I leave the Cowboys, it certainly isn't going to be cheering for one of their main rivals.

The only team I could see myself cheering for in the NFC East is maybe the Eagles, but I admit that's due to the Andy Reid connection. However, I'm pretty sure it won't be them.

Surfah 04-25-2008 04:21 AM

The Raiders need an OL. Which means Al will draft a defensive back. I wouldn't mind Chris Long if he's there.

MikeWaters 04-25-2008 04:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RockyBalboa (Post 213100)
I've grown up a Cowboys fan.

Cowboys vs. Redskins is one of the best rivalries in the NFL.

If I leave the Cowboys, it certainly isn't going to be cheering for one of their main rivals.

The only team I could see myself cheering for in the NFC East is maybe the Eagles, but I admit that's due to the Andy Reid connection. However, I'm pretty sure it won't be them.

actually I think you would fit in well with Eagles fans, for what its worth.

Surfah 04-25-2008 04:34 AM

Really I hope the Raiders take Clady from Boise State.

DrumNFeather 04-25-2008 04:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by surfah33 (Post 213104)
Really I hope the Raiders take Clady from Boise State.

Do you think #4 is too high to take him? I know he is top 10 to 15, but #4? (Now I'm sounding like Kiper)

cougjunkie 04-25-2008 03:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DrumNFeather (Post 213063)
Exactly. He's worth a third rounder at best.

If Minnesota gave up a 1st and 2 third rounders for Jared Allen, Taylor will be worthy at least a 2nd round pick if not a first.

DrumNFeather 04-25-2008 03:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cougjunkie (Post 213206)
If Minnesota gave up a 1st and 2 third rounders for Jared Allen, Taylor will be worthy at least a 2nd round pick if not a first.

How old is Allen Compared to Taylor? Seems like Allen could play out a long term deal, whereas Taylor could pull a Tiki Barber soon and head to the booth.

cougjunkie 04-25-2008 03:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DrumNFeather (Post 213223)
How old is Allen Compared to Taylor? Seems like Allen could play out a long term deal, whereas Taylor could pull a Tiki Barber soon and head to the booth.

Allen is 26 and Taylor is 33. Thats why I didnt compare them apples to apples because of age, but Allen also has 2 DUIs so he could go the way of Jerome Brown soon.

DrumNFeather 04-25-2008 04:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cougjunkie (Post 213231)
Allen is 26 and Taylor is 33. Thats why I didnt compare them apples to apples because of age, but Allen also has 2 DUIs so he could go the way of Jerome Brown soon.

That's true. No matter who the player is, it is tough to part with a first rounder.

Surfah 04-26-2008 03:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DrumNFeather (Post 213105)
Do you think #4 is too high to take him? I know he is top 10 to 15, but #4? (Now I'm sounding like Kiper)

Probably. But then you get into the whole argument of need versus best talent available. But then the Raiders need everything.

I'm afraid the Raiders go with the sexy pick of McFadden. Fargas had the breakout year Michigan fans always hoped for. And they just signed him to an extension. They still have Rhodes. They still have LaMont Jordan. And they have Michael Bush who I really believe could be better than the other three if given a chance.

After investing all that money in JaMarcus, the Raiders best invest in protecting him. Or else we have another David Carr situation on our hands.

The Raiders are in tough situation since they don't have any 2nd or 3rd round picks. Which makes me think Al will go with the sexy pick. I really don't think they could go wrong though with Dorsey or Long though either. Sapp retired. They need some help inside. Their D is pretty much set.


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