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FMCoug 06-03-2008 05:39 AM

Finally picked up a copy of Under The Banner of Heaven in the SLC airport
 
on my way back home. About 1/3 of the way through it. He does a "great" job of interweaving mainstream LDS with fundies to make it sound one and the same.

Jerkwad.

landpoke 06-03-2008 07:44 PM

I don't know. Coming from someone with no dog in the fight I didn't come away with the idea that you all were busy marrying and bedding multiple underage girls.

I like Krakauer, he lets the facts do the talking without a lot of editorializing on his part.

MikeWaters 06-03-2008 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by landpoke (Post 228031)
I don't know. Coming from someone with no dog in the fight I didn't come away with the idea that you all were busy marrying and bedding multiple underage girls.

I like Krakauer, he lets the facts do the talking without a lot of editorializing on his part.

yeah, krakauer is an impartial dispassionate neutral observer.

landpoke 06-03-2008 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeWaters (Post 228034)
yeah, krakauer is an impartial dispassionate neutral observer.

To reiterate, I've no dog in the fight and it seemed pretty even handed to me. Is it possible that your own biases are coloring your opinion of Mr. Krakauer and his work?

UtahDan 06-03-2008 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeWaters (Post 228034)
yeah, krakauer is an impartial dispassionate neutral observer.

We can't all be as impartial as you are, Mike.

marsupial 07-20-2011 10:04 PM

http://nymag.com/daily/entertainment...banner_of.html

Archaea 07-20-2011 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by marsupial (Post 314159)

Black who works on the project does Big Love.

As landpoke stated he creates the allusion he is relying simply upon facts, when what he presents are skewed versions of facts.

Here are some valid critiques of Kraphead's work.

http://bjornisageek.blogspot.com/200...en-review.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/08/03/bo...ll.html?src=pm

http://contemporarylit.about.com/cs/...erOfHeaven.htm

MikeWaters 07-21-2011 01:31 AM

shit book about to be shit movie.

Archaea 07-21-2011 02:41 AM

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Originally Posted by MikeWaters (Post 314161)
shit book about to be shit movie.

It will be carefully designed to malign the Church and any LDS presidential candidates.

marsupial 07-21-2011 09:10 PM

Well, I don't know how accurate his account of Into the Wild was, but I did enjoy the movie. If one of my sons ran away like that I would be so incredibly heartbroken. It was a selfish dumbass thing to do to people who love you.

Opie Taylor has made a few good movies. I will at least have to check this one out once it gets to Netflix.

MikeWaters 07-22-2011 01:44 AM

When I looked at all the able-bodied homeless in Seattle, begging for money, it occurred to me that if one of them wanted to wander into the woods to starve to death of his own accord, I probably ought not wring my hands over many months and years. People do stupid things all the time. It's just that people like Krakauer get to inject faux romanticism into the thing to make it seem important. It's not. It's stupidity.

Krakauer's book is so bad that it even embarrasses Anti-Mormons.

Levin 07-22-2011 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeWaters (Post 314168)
When I looked at all the able-bodied homeless in Seattle, begging for money, it occurred to me that if one of them wanted to wander into the woods to starve to death of his own accord, I probably ought not wring my hands over many months and years. People do stupid things all the time. It's just that people like Krakauer get to inject faux romanticism into the thing to make it seem important. It's not. It's stupidity.

Krakauer's book is so bad that it even embarrasses Anti-Mormons.

This is pretty stupid, speaking of stupidity.

People wander into the woods for all sorts of reasons, and those reasons vary widely. It is actually interesting and heartbreaking why some people do it. Sometimes it's also inspiring.

He didn't intend on starving to death.

Your bias is making you stupid.

Archaea 07-22-2011 08:11 PM

I watched "Into Thin Air", but after reading the climber criticisms discovered how biased and bad Krackhead is. Yes I plodded through his dull prose.

In the Wild or however it's called was romanticism of a dumb event.

Under the Banner of Heaven was even worse.

People like Krackhead give journalism a bad name, if it could be even worse.

MikeWaters 07-23-2011 06:50 AM

The kids who drowned at the falls in Yosemite did not intend to be in the river or go over the falls or die.

But they did.

It's tragic.

But it's also stupid.

Going into the wilderness ill prepared to survive is stupid as well. If you intend to live. Also dumb waiting too long to try and leave.

It's heartbreaking in a way, the note on the bus saying that he is gone to pick berries, please don't leave, and he is literally skin and bones in a sleeping bag. But there is so much more worthy heartbreak in this world, that we truly cannot begin to comprehend it.

Children dying, spouses dying, governments murdering people for merely being honest, etc, etc.


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