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MikeWaters 06-07-2012 10:57 PM

BSA, gays, and LDS church
 
http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/54...ution.html.csp

If gay leaders are eventually accepted, and the church then axes the Boy Scouts, what will you make of that?

No more summer camps, no more Philmont. No more merit badges. What exactly will they do for an activity program? Duty to God? Lame.

Honestly, this anti-gay stuff--I'm not sure how it helps the church.

realtall 06-09-2012 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by MikeWaters (Post 316404)
http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/54...ution.html.csp

If gay leaders are eventually accepted, and the church then axes the Boy Scouts, what will you make of that?

No more summer camps, no more Philmont. No more merit badges. What exactly will they do for an activity program? Duty to God? Lame.

Honestly, this anti-gay stuff--I'm not sure how it helps the church.

I don't think that it will be a real problem for the church to come up with their own YM activity program. The YW do just fine w/o the auspices of the girl scouts.

And I'm not so sure that bsa will cave. They can't be that anxious to instantly lose 40% of their membership, as would surely happen.

MikeWaters 06-09-2012 12:36 PM

but the YW don't have an "outdoors" program.

If a gay scout leader for a non-LDS troop in New York ruins scouts for the entire church--I just think that's weird. And must mean that scouting is not important in the first place.

How many LDS parents will place their kids in BSA troops in that case (outside the church's auspices of course)?

ute4ever 06-09-2012 03:31 PM

As long as a gay man remains celibate, he can hold any calling in the ward that doesn't require marriage, i.e. bishop.

Except Scoutmaster.

realtall 06-10-2012 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by ute4ever (Post 316409)
As long as a gay man remains celibate, he can hold any calling in the ward that doesn't require marriage, i.e. bishop.

Except Scoutmaster.

Not sure. That comes down to his thoughts and what he shares with others. If he doesn't act on it then is he really gay? Or does he just have tendencies? If he has never acted on it I don't see what the problem is with his becoming scoutmaster or whatever.

MikeWaters 06-10-2012 01:41 AM

there are female scoutmasters. apparently that wasn't enough for the church to drop scouting.

Tex 06-10-2012 03:57 AM

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Originally Posted by ute4ever (Post 316409)
As long as a gay man remains celibate, he can hold any calling in the ward that doesn't require marriage, i.e. bishop.

Except Scoutmaster.

FYI, every position in Young Men, and a few in primary, are considered Scout leadership positions.

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Originally Posted by MikeWaters (Post 316411)
there are female scoutmasters. apparently that wasn't enough for the church to drop scouting.

There are female cubmasters in the church. And in Venturing, there are both co-ed and all female "crews", though these are not church sponsored.

RedHeadGal 06-12-2012 03:13 PM

It seems to me that people are more afraid of gay men in this situation, because of the common (unfounded) belief that gay men "like" little boys, or that they will "turn" them gay. So BSAs should be fine with lesbians. . . right?

MikeWaters 06-12-2012 04:09 PM

There are plenty of gays in scouting. At summer camp, you meet the college students that are camp counselors, your gaydar will go off more then once or twice.

Archaea 06-13-2012 12:42 AM

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Originally Posted by RedHeadGal (Post 316417)
It seems to me that people are more afraid of gay men in this situation, because of the common (unfounded) belief that gay men "like" little boys, or that they will "turn" them gay. So BSAs should be fine with lesbians. . . right?

You have a problem with lesbians? Mike and I don't.


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