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UtahDan 09-26-2008 08:01 PM

Why is a bad market always someone's fault?
 
Finance is admittedly not my area of expertise so those of you who know more jump in and help me with this string of questions I have been mulling over this week:

-Is the hue and cry over "the economy" mostly electioneering (if not in this case then in most cases)? Isn't it the case that in capitalism markets MUST sometimes be down and that this is how competition weeds out the weak? Do we expect that government will keep the market from ever being down? If not, why is someone always to blame for it?

-How much does government really effect the economy? If it is a lot, how much does any politician effect the economy? Can a president really be blamed or credited for economic performance of a nation? Isn't this something much much larger than a government or a president?

-As to our current crisis are guys like Warren Buffet right that we are on the edge of a disaster? What would be the consequences of allowing certain companies, no matter how large, old, or venerated, to simply die? Wouldn't the strong survive or would this devastate the larger system in the long run? Shouldn't the government taking over any private business make be nervous? If we do bail out these lenders, is there something illogical about just handing money to the same people who created the problem?

As I say, I don't fully grasp the big picture and am not adverse to having my money spent to save the system, but skeptical spidey senses are just going crazy over all of this. Someone with a good understanding of this help a brother out.

MikeWaters 09-26-2008 08:04 PM

a great mist has fallen over the financial system, wherein banks and other financial institutions are afraid to do business, esp. with other financial institutions, because they feel they have absolutely no way to see what is going on (i.e. no transparency, hidden toxic assets).

The role of govt. is to help get rid of the mist, wherein banks know who and what they are dealing with.

landpoke 09-26-2008 08:04 PM

Because it can't be our fault so it must be someone else's.

ERCougar 09-26-2008 08:16 PM

I think that without a bailout, we could potentially see a massive meltdown of uor financial system (not just market). However, ironically, one of the factors that led to the current crisis is the moral hazard created by the government's handling of the S&L bailout. Besides the enormous cost, I am concerned about the precedent we are reinforcing.

exUte 09-27-2008 12:08 AM

Because the politician's game is one of
 
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Originally Posted by UtahDan (Post 270517)
Finance is admittedly not my area of expertise so those of you who know more jump in and help me with this string of questions I have been mulling over this week:

-Is the hue and cry over "the economy" mostly electioneering (if not in this case then in most cases)? Isn't it the case that in capitalism markets MUST sometimes be down and that this is how competition weeds out the weak? Do we expect that government will keep the market from ever being down? If not, why is someone always to blame for it?

-How much does government really effect the economy? If it is a lot, how much does any politician effect the economy? Can a president really be blamed or credited for economic performance of a nation? Isn't this something much much larger than a government or a president?

-As to our current crisis are guys like Warren Buffet right that we are on the edge of a disaster? What would be the consequences of allowing certain companies, no matter how large, old, or venerated, to simply die? Wouldn't the strong survive or would this devastate the larger system in the long run? Shouldn't the government taking over any private business make be nervous? If we do bail out these lenders, is there something illogical about just handing money to the same people who created the problem?

As I say, I don't fully grasp the big picture and am not adverse to having my money spent to save the system, but skeptical spidey senses are just going crazy over all of this. Someone with a good understanding of this help a brother out.

winners and losers. If I lose, the other party wins and vice versa. It's not about governing. It's about power and you get that power by how many D's vs. R's there are.

Ever thought of this? How often do you and your spouse agree on a topic? 100%? Most likely not. But become a politician and you tend to agree with another D or R more often than you agree with your spouse.

That's why we need term limits. We have them for president, let's have them for congress.

exUte 09-27-2008 12:09 AM

Bailout is bad.
 
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Originally Posted by ERCougar (Post 270528)
I think that without a bailout, we could potentially see a massive meltdown of uor financial system (not just market). However, ironically, one of the factors that led to the current crisis is the moral hazard created by the government's handling of the S&L bailout. Besides the enormous cost, I am concerned about the precedent we are reinforcing.

No bailout would be worse. Not only for the US but the entire world.

Time to do the lesser of two distinct evils.


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