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SeattleUte 09-17-2007 08:30 PM

Are we seeing Charlie Weiss phenomenon at BYU?
 
Charlie Weiss blew through Willingham's team that Willingham painstakingly assembled at Notre Dame and was deprived of maximizing, looking like a million bucks on Willingham's labors. Now ND fans are seeing the true Weiss while Willingham is rebuilding UW's national program while UW fans remain patient. Is BM BYU's Weiss?

MikeWaters 09-17-2007 08:32 PM

I suggested a comparison on cb, and was burned in effigy.

Goatnapper'96 09-17-2007 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by SeattleUte (Post 124674)
Charlie Weiss blew through Willingham's team that Willingham painstakingly assembled at Notre Dame and was deprived of maximizing, looking like a million bucks on Willingham's labors. Now ND fans are seeing the true Weiss while Willingham is rebuilding UW's national program while UW fans remain patient. Is BM BYU's Weiss?

No.

The issue at BYU, so far this year, is not the loss of offensive firepower.

MikeWaters 09-17-2007 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Goatnapper'96 (Post 124680)
No.

The issue at BYU, so far this year, is not the loss of offensive firepower.

however Bronco is a defensive coach, and the breakdown was on defense. hence the comparison is still apt, as Weiss is an offensive coach.

SeattleUte 09-17-2007 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeWaters (Post 124677)
I suggested a comparison on cb, and was burned in effigy.

You see this kind of thing happen all the time. Tampa Bay immediately post-Dungy. UW, Neuheisal's early years. Of course Urban Meyer has made a career off of it, though he seems to be great in his own right. Some of the older posters will remember when Redd Miller took John Ralston's Broncos team to the Super Bowl.

MikeWaters 09-17-2007 08:47 PM

I haven't jumped off the Bronco ship. But I have yet to get the feeling that the Cougars have really outdone themselves in a LONG time, under 3 different HCs.

Goatnapper'96 09-17-2007 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeWaters (Post 124688)
however Bronco is a defensive coach, and the breakdown was on defense. hence the comparison is still apt, as Weiss is an offensive coach.

But Bronco did not exactly inherit a great defensive team ready for primetime. Whatever breakdowns BYU had were long prevalent before Bronco arrived.

Goatnapper'96 09-17-2007 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeWaters (Post 124691)
I haven't jumped off the Bronco ship. But I have yet to get the feeling that the Cougars have really outdone themselves in a LONG time, under 3 different HCs.

Lavell rarely outdid himself. College football coaching legacies are built upon consistently beating the teams you should and leveraging that success into program improvement so that more teams move into the beating teams that you should beat category. That is what Lavell did. He still was usually beaten and often crushed by the teams that were better.

RockyBalboa 09-17-2007 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeWaters (Post 124691)
I haven't jumped off the Bronco ship. But I have yet to get the feeling that the Cougars have really outdone themselves in a LONG time, under 3 different HCs.

Define outdoing themselves.

MikeWaters 09-17-2007 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by RockyBalboa (Post 124717)
Define outdoing themselves.

beating a better team with sheer hook, crook, desire and gumption.


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