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ERCougar 11-05-2008 02:09 PM

Utah political districts
 
Forgive my ignorance here, but I have a question for Utah political junkies. I'm in southern Utah. Why am I voting for Jim Matheson? Isn't he SLC's representative? My MIL has some theories, but she's borderline insane when we discuss politics, so I'm wondering what the history behind this is. Does our district really jump over Utah Valley to include SLC? Is that legal?

Tex 11-05-2008 02:12 PM

I don't know how to link the Utah-specific map, but click here, and then click on Utah. You'll see your district boundaries in all its glory.

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/res...ain.results/#H

exUte 11-05-2008 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by ERCougar (Post 290167)
Forgive my ignorance here, but I have a question for Utah political junkies. I'm in southern Utah. Why am I voting for Jim Matheson? Isn't he SLC's representative? My MIL has some theories, but she's borderline insane when we discuss politics, so I'm wondering what the history behind this is. Does our district really jump over Utah Valley to include SLC? Is that legal?


That's how they carved up the 2nd congressional district. Pieces here there and everywhere.

Goatnapper'96 11-05-2008 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by ERCougar (Post 290167)
Forgive my ignorance here, but I have a question for Utah political junkies. I'm in southern Utah. Why am I voting for Jim Matheson? Isn't he SLC's representative? My MIL has some theories, but she's borderline insane when we discuss politics, so I'm wondering what the history behind this is. Does our district really jump over Utah Valley to include SLC? Is that legal?

It was gerrymandered by the Republican controlled Legislature after Matheson won his first seat. I think they took away the stronger democratic supporting mining areas, Carbon and Emery counties, and replaced it with rural areas from Southern Utah. Cannon now has Emery and Carbon counties. However, it failed and Matheson continues to win.

ERCougar 11-05-2008 02:14 PM

Ok. I just pulled up the map. Check it out:
http://www.kued.org/productions/voteutah/voter/map.html

If you know Utah, this is really sort of funny. It's like they took urban Utah and grouped them with the national parks like to visit. I'm sure the interests of Grand County citizens align pretty closely with Salt Lakers.

What are the rules regarding gerrymandering? I think we'd end up with the same outcome (2 Reps and 1 Dem) with a more rational division but I'm just curious.

YOhio 11-05-2008 02:15 PM

Here is the district breakdown:

http://www.kued.org/productions/vote...ictMap2002.gif

In 2004 the boundaries changed with the expectation that southern Utah would counterbalance the effect of SL county. IIRC, redistricting happens after every census and it done by the state legislature. If the Gerrymandering is too egregious, then it can be challenged in court.

ERCougar 11-05-2008 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Goatnapper'96 (Post 290171)
It was gerrymandered by the Republican controlled Legislature after Matheson won his first seat. I think they took away the stronger democratic supporting mining areas, Carbon and Emery counties, and replaced it with rural areas from Southern Utah. Cannon now has Emery and Carbon counties. However, it failed and Matheson continues to win.

Ok...that makes sense. I actually like Matheson so I'm not too torn up about it (unlike my MIL). I was just curious.

EDIT: Wait...no it doesn't. Why would Emery and Carbon be democratic? Wouldn't they be fighting the liberal environmental interests?

When Matheson first won, was it essentially a SL valley district? Did the gerrymandering then add on southern Utah in an attempt to defeat him?

YOhio 11-05-2008 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Goatnapper'96 (Post 290171)
It was gerrymandered by the Republican controlled Legislature after Matheson won his first seat. I think they took away the stronger democratic supporting mining areas, Carbon and Emery counties, and replaced it with rural areas from Southern Utah. Cannon now has Emery and Carbon counties. However, it failed and Matheson continues to win.

When Cannon won in 1996, his district included Carbon and Emery County. It has since changed.

Goatnapper'96 11-05-2008 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by YOhio (Post 290177)
When Cannon won in 1996, his district included Carbon and Emery County. It has since changed.

So I can blame you dumbass Dinos and Miners for him? You people are no better than the Conejo Valley....oooh what a surprise what did Emery County's best BYU athlete do after only one year?

POX ON ALL OF YOU!

YOhio 11-05-2008 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Goatnapper'96 (Post 290178)
So I can blame you dumbass Dinos and Miners for him? You people are no better than the Conejo Valley....oooh what a surprise what did Emery County's best BYU athlete do after only one year?

POX ON ALL OF YOU!

The inbreds of Emery County do not share the same political philosophy as the hard working folks in Carbon. While CC has a rich tradition of electing Democrats who reach across the aisle while still protecting the upstanding men risking their lives to put power in our homes. Fine officials like Mike Dmitrich, Omar Bunnel and Brad King, whose loss has upset me much more than that of John McCain. OTOH, Emery County prefers the type of politician whose foremost concern is Utah abortion law.


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