Some people are gullible (baseball player)
 

I don't have time to read everybody's opinion on the baseball player getting kicked out of BYU for his 60% church attendance and not requesting a calling, but if anyone's buying that I've got a bridge...

I don't have any inside scoop to the situation, but if I may be so brash as to speculate, let me make a hypothesis:

Said baseballer (we have baseball at BYU??) sticks his dick where it doesn't belong (or where it does belong depending upon your point of view). Baseballer meets with Bishop. Bishop refuses to sign ecclesiastical endorsement.

So baller has to tell his parents he was kicked out of BYU. Dad says 'why'? Baller, to save face, lies to Dad, telling him it was for "church attendance". Father runs to media, BYU knows nothing, Bishop can't say anything. Suddenly, headlines read "BYU kicks out baseball player for skipping church". Kid won't comment, mostly because he lied about the situation, and the Bishop knows it, the SP knows it, the joint copulator knows it and well as his friends he bragged to about said copulation.

Now, doesn't that make more sense than this BS Trib story.

Again, I don't know what transgression the kid committed. My story was purely hypothetical, but I'm guessing it was more than ditching out on Elder's Quorum. Color me skeptical.

Why is it that the people who are uncomfortable criticizing BYU in this situation are so very comfortable speculating on the morals (especially as related to fornication) of this kid?

Could be, I suppose. Then again, it could be that the kid is telling the truth. And he gets the double-whammy of not just getting kicked out for dubious reasons, but now has to endure lots of rumors and speculation about his lack of character and the "real reasons" for the dismissal.

Sadly, these episodes tell us a lot about ourselves.

No the Honor Code Office would be involved if it were a sexual transgression. And I don't see Dad running to the newspaper if it were anything else. I also believe the kid is an RM, which lessens the probability of that aspect. I don't buy your argument.

And plus the kid must go public to avoid your unnecessary speculation.

Heh. "Absent any evidence, how about I just make something up?"

Nice.

Bingo, brother smails. This is not about church attendance. Ryan Kessman was not kicked out for drinking coffee. I'm not saying this cause I don't think leaders of the church or BYU can be criticized, but because this is the only logical explanation.

Is that the Protocol? I've got to be honest. I'm not sure how the Bishop-Honor Code relationship works. I've always been under the impression confessions to Bishops are confidential. Do bishops report transgressions to the honor code office?

well, besides the fact the honor code office said it had nothing to do with the honor code.

If the bishop pulls an EE and chooses not to go through the HC, then the HC will not know the reason.

Gimme a break. I clearly stated this was hypothesis. Are you suggesting I can't even suggest there's a more logical explanation, because that would imply I'm judging the guy.

Do you believe he was kicked out of school because of 60% church attendance? Seriously?

If it did all go down the way the Trib and Daddy say it did, then yes, BYU and/or this Bishop is to blame in this circumstance, but I would hope you'd be smart enough to recognize there are ALWAYS two sides to any controversy. In this case, we've only heard one side, and that's all we will ever hear. To fall hook, line, and sinker after hearing that one side is foolhardy at best.

For a message board whose posters tend to pride themselves on their intellect, I would expect more out of some of you. (again, I've only read 3 or 4 posts on the topic, and am projecting those opinions onto the rest of the board).