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LackingOxygen 07-19-2014 12:04 AM

If you were the devil...
 
Okay, let's hypothetically think about this for a minute...if you were the devil, what would do to thwart god's plan of happiness? It could be something in the past or it could be something today. What would put the biggest wrench in his plan? I saw a blog post on this years ago and it had interesting results.

SoonerCoug 07-19-2014 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by LackingOxygen (Post 318862)
Okay, let's hypothetically think about this for a minute...if you were the devil, what would do to thwart god's plan of happiness? It could be something in the past or it could be something today. What would put the biggest wrench in his plan? I saw a blog post on this years ago and it had interesting results.

I don't know how to respond to this since I don't believe in the devil.

Mindful should be able to answer.

Mindfulcoug 07-19-2014 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by SoonerCoug (Post 318863)
I don't know how to respond to this since I don't believe in the devil.

That's exactly what I would do. Make smart people say stupid things!

SoonerCoug 07-19-2014 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by mindfulcoug (Post 318864)
That's exactly what I would do. Make smart people say stupid things!

Ok mindful. Tell us about the devil.

Mindfulcoug 07-19-2014 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by SoonerCoug (Post 318865)
Ok mindful. Tell us about the devil.

What do you want to know?

SoonerCoug 07-19-2014 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by mindfulcoug (Post 318866)
What do you want to know?

What you believe about the devil.

LackingOxygen 07-19-2014 12:27 AM

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Originally Posted by SoonerCoug (Post 318863)
I don't know how to respond to this since I don't believe in the devil.

Mindful should be able to answer.

Okay, even if there is no belief in the devil, how would you destroy god's plan if you believed in the devil and the whole lds story? I'll start it by saying If I were the devil, I would convince as many groups of people that God told them they alone are right, they are better than the other groups of people...

byupepsilover 07-19-2014 12:30 AM

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Originally Posted by mindfulcoug (Post 318864)
That's exactly what I would do. Make smart people say stupid things!

I am not sure that a lack of belief in the devil, results in the plan falling apart. Aren't we suppose to do what is right because we love The Lord, and not because we fear the devil? If this is true, then belief (or lack of it) in the devil should have no bearing in the outcome of the plan...... Not believing in the plan however could be problematic.

SoonerCoug 07-19-2014 12:34 AM

Wow. Just wow.

Talk about a motley crew.

LackingOxygen 07-19-2014 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by byupepsilover (Post 318869)
I am not sure that a lack of belief in the devil, results in the plan falling apart. Aren't we suppose to do what is right because we love The Lord, and not because we fear the devil? If this is true, then belief (or lack of it) in the devil should have no bearing in the outcome of the plan...... Not believing in the plan however could be problematic.

I think just doing absolutely nothing will thwart his plan. If he ceases to tempt, drive the children of man away from god and all else he does, then god has to almost be the bad guy since man doesn't learn unless they are tempted and fall. The whole reason Adam and Eve were driven from the garden was because sin was introduced to them and they were able to experience good from bad. It is the human experience.

Mindfulcoug 07-19-2014 12:49 AM

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Originally Posted by byupepsilover (Post 318869)
I am not sure that a lack of belief in the devil, results in the plan falling apart. Aren't we suppose to do what is right because we love The Lord, and not because we fear the devil? If this is true, then belief (or lack of it) in the devil should have no bearing in the outcome of the plan...... Not believing in the plan however could be problematic.

I am not sure how to respond to this. I am not a Mormon, so I will say no more. But good luck on the plan :)

SoonerCoug 07-19-2014 12:51 AM

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Originally Posted by mindfulcoug (Post 318874)
I am not sure how to respond to this. I am not a Mormon, so I will say no more. But good luck on the plan :)

Why don't you teach us about the Muslim plan of salvation? How many degrees of glory do you believe in?

Mindfulcoug 07-19-2014 12:58 AM

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Originally Posted by SoonerCoug (Post 318867)
What you believe about the devil.

I am afraid as a Shia Muslim, my belief is going to be too strong for your taste and will defintely bore the board as well. But you as sc-fi aficionado could share your brilliant imagination and describe how you would do to destroy the plan your friends are talking about.

SoonerCoug 07-19-2014 01:00 AM

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Originally Posted by mindfulcoug (Post 318876)
I am afraid as a Shia Muslim, my belief is going to be too strong for your taste and will defintely bore the board as well. But you as sc-fi aficionado could share your brilliant imagination and describe how you would do to destroy the plan your friends are talking about.

You would be a great politician.

Archaea 07-21-2014 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by mindfulcoug (Post 318876)
I am afraid as a Shia Muslim, my belief is going to be too strong for your taste and will defintely bore the board as well. But you as sc-fi aficionado could share your brilliant imagination and describe how you would do to destroy the plan your friends are talking about.

I thought Iblis or Shaytan was a fallen angel, who refused to bow down to Adam. (By the way, how do you like the Adam-God parallel).

Here is a link purporting to explain it. http://www.themystica.org/mystica/articles/i/iblis.html

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Iblis is the name for the devil in the Qur'an. Although the term "devil" comes from the Greek diabolos, the Muslims derived the name from the Arabic, balasa, "he despaired," which can be interpreted "despaired of the mercy of God" but he is also al-Shairan, Satan, and "the enemy of God." The latter aspect of Satan is a commonly shared belief of both Muslims and Christians. According to one tradition, when Allah ordered the angels to bow down to the newly created man, Adam, Iblis refused to do so because he, being made of fire, thought himself superior to a creature made of earth. He continues tempting humans, especially through the whisper (waswas, "he whispered") and false suggestion (haiif). In the end, it is believed, he will be cast into Jahannam. Another commonly shared belief held by both religions is that the universal existence of evil in personal lives is usually experienced as a consequence of a personal agent, the devil.
Although both Satan and al-Shairan are identified, Shairan also has a distinct existence, perhaps as the leader of the jinns, a personification of temptation. This coincides with the Muslim belief that each individual is accompanied by two personal spiritual entities; an angel who urges toward good and a shairan who urges toward evil.
Isn't Iblis the Whisperer who whispers to man to commit sin?

How would that be too strong for Sooner?

Mindfulcoug 07-23-2014 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Archaea (Post 318933)
I thought Iblis or Shaytan was a fallen angel, who refused to bow down to Adam. (By the way, how do you like the Adam-God parallel).

Here is a link purporting to explain it. http://www.themystica.org/mystica/articles/i/iblis.html



Isn't Iblis the Whisperer who whispers to man to commit sin?

How would that be too strong for Sooner?

My belief dances around Almightly God who creates just the goodness. And that evil is the lack of the goodness. We believe that the evil (Iblis) was never an angel but a Jinn who like humans can be good or bad. So for SoonerCoug who has been saying he does not believe in God to actually digest this, will probably make him sick to his stomach.

But this thread is actually a test of our imagination rather our beliefs.

What would you do if you were the evil??

Archaea 07-23-2014 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by mindfulcoug (Post 318945)
My belief dances around Almightly God who creates just the goodness. And that evil is the lack of the goodness. We believe that the evil (Iblis) was never an angel but a Jinn who like humans can be good or bad. So for SoonerCoug who has been saying he does not believe in God to actually digest this, will probably make him sick to his stomach.

But this thread is actually a test of our imagination rather our beliefs.

What would you do if you were the evil??

I have no desire to be evil, so I can't even imagine what I would do from a strategic or tactical perspective. Evil seems to be doing pretty well on its own.


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