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MikeWaters 05-20-2008 03:16 PM
Palestinian Right of Return
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palesti...ight_of_Return

There will be no peace if this is not addressed by Israel.

And Israel knows this.

Sleeping in EQ 05-20-2008 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted by MikeWaters (Post 223021)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palesti...ight_of_Return

There will be no peace if this is not addressed by Israel.

And Israel knows this.
I have a student from somewhere near Ramallah.

This student has some stories. Frankly, she should have a book deal.

I've had her in communications classes. She has mentioned that when the IDF occupied Ramallah in 2002, they took over the television stations and broadcast pornography.

MikeWaters 05-20-2008 03:39 PM
Liberal academia has become much more sympathetic to the Palestinian plight over the past several years.

I met a Jewish Israeli lady on a plane, and I asked her about this, and she said it deeply pains her.

But you have a huge number of Americans who aren't willing to even learn about what the Palestinians are saying.

I've wavered and gone back and forth on the issue throughout my lifetime. Finding out that Israel wasn't 100% moral and right was a shock to me as a young man, as I had bought the propangand whole-hog.

I'm frustrated with both Israelis and Palestinians.

Sleeping in EQ 05-20-2008 03:45 PM
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Originally Posted by MikeWaters (Post 223039)
Liberal academia has become much more sympathetic to the Palestinian plight over the past several years.

I met a Jewish Israeli lady on a plane, and I asked her about this, and she said it deeply pains her.

But you have a huge number of Americans who aren't willing to even learn about what the Palestinians are saying.

I've wavered and gone back and forth on the issue throughout my lifetime. Finding out that Israel wasn't 100% moral and right was a shock to me as a young man, as I had bought the propangand whole-hog.

I'm frustrated with both Israelis and Palestinians.
Me too.

Maybe I'll get her to post here. She's smart and interesting.

Tex 05-20-2008 05:39 PM
Right of Return as demanded by the Palestinians is never going to happen. It's a complete non-starter and one of (many) reasons why the conflict over there is never going to be resolved.

There are some Palestinians in "exile" who are under the illusion that their pre-1967 land and/or homes still exist and are available to them. It's a dream that doesn't comport with reality, and Palestinian leadership is going to have to come to terms with that if they ever get serious about peace.

Archaea 05-20-2008 06:25 PM
The difficulties for outsiders is truly understanding the current eddies and currents of political and social thought within those communities. How can those local politicians bridge the gaps sufficiently to appease their constituencies in order to remain in power while working outside the box?

There appear within Israeli society some who have very rigid opinions on the issue and the same for the Palestinians. Compounding the problem is the disproportionate population growth on behalf the Palestinians.

MikeWaters 05-20-2008 07:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Tex (Post 223150)
Right of Return as demanded by the Palestinians is never going to happen. It's a complete non-starter and one of (many) reasons why the conflict over there is never going to be resolved.

There are some Palestinians in "exile" who are under the illusion that their pre-1967 land and/or homes still exist and are available to them. It's a dream that doesn't comport with reality, and Palestinian leadership is going to have to come to terms with that if they ever get serious about peace.
many do exist. if not most of them. and Israelis are living in them.

I would say that not addressing the right of return is a non-starter, and if the Israelis are ever serious about peace they will address it.

MikeWaters 05-20-2008 07:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Archaea (Post 223187)
The difficulties for outsiders is truly understanding the current eddies and currents of political and social thought within those communities. How can those local politicians bridge the gaps sufficiently to appease their constituencies in order to remain in power while working outside the box?

There appear within Israeli society some who have very rigid opinions on the issue and the same for the Palestinians. Compounding the problem is the disproportionate population growth on behalf the Palestinians.
this is why the Palestinians will win. Corrupt broken societies die of suicide.

Tex 05-20-2008 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted by MikeWaters (Post 223215)
many do exist. if not most of them. and Israelis are living in them.
Apparently you live under the same illusion. It was 40 years ago.

Quote:
Originally Posted by MikeWaters (Post 223215)
I would say that not addressing the right of return is a non-starter, and if the Israelis are ever serious about peace they will address it.
They have. They've said no.

MikeWaters 05-20-2008 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Tex (Post 223218)
Apparently you live under the same illusion. It was 40 years ago.



They have. They've said no.
human rights no longer apply because something happened 40 years ago?

If Israelis have chosen this, then they have chosen to send their children to die fighting the children of their neighbors, whom will also die.

What sympathy should I have for the Israelis, when they choose to make the Palestinian plight even worse?


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