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TripletDaddy 11-27-2007 02:38 AM

BYU hoops busts in the Top 25...
 
nice job.

This was a great weekend for The Zoobs.

il Padrino Ute 11-27-2007 03:05 AM

After seeing BYU against Louisville and UNC, I believe that BYU should most definitely be ranked. That is a heckuva team.

TripletDaddy 11-27-2007 03:10 AM

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Originally Posted by il Padrino Ute (Post 155442)
After seeing BYU against Louisville and UNC, I believe that BYU should most definitely be ranked. That is a heckuva team.

When Plaisted is disciplined enough to stay out of foul trouble and make an effort to rebound, they are definitely a threat. Like the better balanced Ute teams of the 90s and early 00s. All those teams had presence in the middle.

il Padrino Ute 11-27-2007 03:14 AM

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Originally Posted by TripletDaddy (Post 155443)
When Plaisted is disciplined enough to stay out of foul trouble and make an effort to rebound, they are definitely a threat. Like the better balanced Ute teams of the 90s and early 00s. All those teams had presence in the middle.

I was most impressed with the improvement Plaisted made with his right hand. Last year, he was absolutely worthless if he couldn't use his left.

TripletDaddy 11-27-2007 03:23 AM

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Originally Posted by il Padrino Ute (Post 155445)
I was most impressed with the improvement Plaisted made with his right hand. Last year, he was absolutely worthless if he couldn't use his left.

Now that he is married, he doesn't use his left hand exclusively....

jay santos 11-27-2007 03:25 AM

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Originally Posted by il Padrino Ute (Post 155445)
I was most impressed with the improvement Plaisted made with his right hand. Last year, he was absolutely worthless if he couldn't use his left.

Not true. He's had a right hook for quite a while. His problem is that he doesn't turn baseline, always going to the middle, so you think it's because he's favoring a certain hand. He still doesn't have a drop step and almost always goes to the middle, but he's developed more moves.

il Padrino Ute 11-27-2007 03:28 AM

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Originally Posted by jay santos (Post 155449)
Not true. He's had a right hook for quite a while. His problem is that he doesn't turn baseline, always going to the middle, so you think it's because he's favoring a certain hand. He still doesn't have a drop step and almost always goes to the middle, but he's developed more moves.

Ok, I'll concede that as you most definitely follow BYU hoops more than I do. I guess it is the lack of a baseline move that I'm thinking of.

Flystripper 11-27-2007 03:45 AM

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Originally Posted by jay santos (Post 155449)
Not true. He's had a right hook for quite a while. His problem is that he doesn't turn baseline, always going to the middle, so you think it's because he's favoring a certain hand. He still doesn't have a drop step and almost always goes to the middle, but he's developed more moves.

the move that he has added is his up and under starting with a turn to the middle. I would like a baseline turn once in a while though.

cougjunkie 11-27-2007 03:16 PM

I agree with Jay Santos, the differences between Plaisted this year and the last two are the following:

1. In years past he would only post up one block, so that he could turn to the middle of the key and shoot a jump hook with his left hand.

2. If he did on a rare occassion post up on the other block, he would still turn middle and shoot a jump hook with his right hand, but it was very ugly, didnt look smooth, and looked like someone shooting with their off hand, very awkard.

Now he posts up on either block, he turns to the middle and will do an up and under move instead a straight jump hook, he turns baseline and will use the glass with his left and right hand, he can also turn baseline and do an up and under move. Another thing I like is that he is trying to dunk the ball a lot more. I have even seen a few drop steps this year. I also said that last year his free throw stroke looked good he was just missing, this year it looks the same but he is a lot more confident and 74% from the line for your center is very good, I would have been happy with 60-65% from him this year.

It also helps when you have 4 very good perimeter players around.

K-dog 11-27-2007 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by cougjunkie (Post 155605)
I agree with Jay Santos, the differences between Plaisted this year and the last two are the following:

1. In years past he would only post up one block, so that he could turn to the middle of the key and shoot a jump hook with his left hand.

2. If he did on a rare occassion post up on the other block, he would still turn middle and shoot a jump hook with his right hand, but it was very ugly, didnt look smooth, and looked like someone shooting with their off hand, very awkard.

Now he posts up on either block, he turns to the middle and will do an up and under move instead a straight jump hook, he turns baseline and will use the glass with his left and right hand, he can also turn baseline and do an up and under move. Another thing I like is that he is trying to dunk the ball a lot more. I have even seen a few drop steps this year. I also said that last year his free throw stroke looked good he was just missing, this year it looks the same but he is a lot more confident and 74% from the line for your center is very good, I would have been happy with 60-65% from him this year.

It also helps when you have 4 very good perimeter players around.

Personally, I like the new moves and agree that he is developing his confidence. We saw the beginning of all the moves you mentioned last year (except a drop step which I don't agree he has). I think a bigger change than any of the things you have mentioned is TPs recognition of the double team...where it comes from, who is open as a result, and whether to finish his post move or pass out. He is looking much better in this aspect of the game and, as a result, has a number of assists in the past few games. Like Roy Williams said...you can't double team a big man who can pass.


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