Civil liberties we are losing?
Exactly which civil liberties have been lost due to the Patriot Act, or other Bush Admin policies? I hear these liberals whining about this, yet I don't see how the Patriot Act or anything else has affected my civil liberties other than having to sign some extra forms when I get a mortgage or something similar.
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The terrorists in Gitmo are not getting a quick and speedy trial, and that bothers some people.
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Both of you are not libertarians, not lawyers and not concerned about the processes used in administering justice. That's fine, and to you we may sound like histrionic women.
But examine the history of our civil liberties, reading up on them through the forties, fifties and sixties. These rights of process were fought long and hard to protect the innocent, not the guilty. It is simplistic, but it's true, we'd prefer a number of guilty get let off than one innocent be convicted improperly. That's the heart of the civil liberty debate, protecting innocence, and making government do its job. If you or your loved ones ever end up on the wrong side of this debate, your perspective will change drastically. The real world is much different that coding javascript. |
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Maybe while you're reading up on your civil liberties history you could read a few pages about fallacious logical arguments as well. Quote:
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What is fallacious about that argument? |
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As to NorCal's original question, I guess the whole habeas corpus thing was really just a minor benefit, not a civil libert. That's just one example. |
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As for the other issues you listed, I am not familiar with the details included in the Patriot Act. Can you give any details as to what is so unpatriotic about them? |
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