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Archaea 04-02-2008 04:09 PM

John 3:1-10
 
This passage involves the secret meeting with Nicodemus, or at least the nighttime meeting,

3 ἦν δὲ ἄνθρωπος ἐκ τῶν Φαρισαίων Νικόδημος ὄνομα αὐτῷ ἄρχων τῶν Ἰουδαίων
2 οὗτος ἦλθεν πρὸς αὐτὸν νυκτὸς καὶ εἶπεν αὐτῷ ῥαββί οἴδαμεν ὅτι ἀπὸ θεοῦ ἐλήλυθας διδάσκαλος οὐδεὶς γὰρ δύναται ταῦτα τὰ σημεῖα ποιεῖν ἃ σὺ ποιεῖς ἐὰν μὴ ᾖ ὁ θεὸς μετ' αὐτοῦ
3 ἀπεκρίθη Ἰησοῦς καὶ εἶπεν αὐτῷ ἀμὴν ἀμὴν λέγω σοι ἐὰν μή τις γεννηθῇ ἄνωθεν οὐ δύναται ἰδεῖν τὴν βασιλείαν τοῦ θεοῦ
4 λέγει πρὸς αὐτὸν ὁ Νικόδημος πῶς δύναται ἄνθρωπος γεννηθῆναι γέρων ὤν μὴ δύναται εἰς τὴν κοιλίαν τῆς μητρὸς αὐτοῦ δεύτερον εἰσελθεῖν καὶ γεννηθῆναι
5 ἀπεκρίθη Ἰησοῦς ἀμὴν ἀμὴν λέγω σοι ἐὰν μή τις γεννηθῇ ἐξ ὕδατος καὶ πνεύματος οὐ δύναται εἰσελθεῖν εἰς τὴν βασιλείαν τοῦ θεοῦ
6 τὸ γεγεννημένον ἐκ τῆς σαρκὸς σάρξ ἐστιν καὶ τὸ γεγεννημένον ἐκ τοῦ πνεύματος πνεῦμά ἐστιν
7 μὴ θαυμάσῃς ὅτι εἶπόν σοι δεῖ ὑμᾶς γεννηθῆναι ἄνωθεν
8 τὸ πνεῦμα ὅπου θέλει πνεῖ καὶ τὴν φωνὴν αὐτοῦ ἀκούεις ἀλλ' οὐκ οἶδας πόθεν ἔρχεται καὶ ποῦ ὑπάγει οὕτως ἐστὶν πᾶς ὁ γεγεννημένος ἐκ τοῦ πνεύματος
9 ἀπεκρίθη Νικόδημος καὶ εἶπεν αὐτῷ πῶς δύναται ταῦτα γενέσθαι
10 ἀπεκρίθη Ἰησοῦς καὶ εἶπεν αὐτῷ σὺ εἶ ὁ διδάσκαλος τοῦ Ἰσραὴλ καὶ ταῦτα οὐ γινώσκεις

ute4ever 04-02-2008 04:38 PM

I think you misspelled θαυμάσῃς.

And shouldn't εἰσελθεῖν come before δύναται?

myboynoah 04-02-2008 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by ute4ever (Post 204298)
I think you misspelled θαυμάσῃς.

And shouldn't εἰσελθεῖν come before δύναται?

You don't get it. That's one of those fill-in-the-letter puzzles.

θαυμάσῃς should read θαυμωσγς.

For some reason I really like this letter ω.

Archaea 04-02-2008 05:55 PM

The second person aorist active subjunctive appears to be spelled correctly in Verse seven, but Solon can correct it. It speaks of marveling not.

Word order in Greek is not particularly important, but the fifth verse of eiserchomai, active aorist infinitive, entering into, should follow dunatai, or being able to enter.

Solon 04-02-2008 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Archaea (Post 204320)
The second person aorist active subjunctive appears to be spelled correctly in Verse seven, but Solon can correct it. It speaks of marveling not.

Word order in Greek is not particularly important, but the fifth verse of eiserchomai, active aorist infinitive, entering into, should follow dunatai, or being able to enter.

They mock what they do not understand.

myboynoah 04-02-2008 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Solon (Post 204337)
They mock what they do not understand.

I was channeling Laman, or was it Lemuel?

Archaea 04-02-2008 07:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Solon (Post 204337)
They mock what they do not understand.

If we play along, they won't notice counter-mocking. BTW, you're kind to humor a slow dog like me. Plutarch is easier to read because it follows the text books better.

il Padrino Ute 04-02-2008 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Solon (Post 204337)
They mock what they do not understand.

If I say that about baseball haters, I get hung out to dry. But Greek fans say it and it's ok?

That just ain't right.

And it puts you between a rock and a hard place, doesn't it? You're a Greek and baseball fan.


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