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OrangeUte 06-13-2008 09:47 PM

BYU Sports/Missionary Tool Rant
 
just a rant:

I stumbled across this blog article while in a pissy mood that my tithing money actually goes to fund BYU tuition, and immediately got into a pissy mood that there are still really people who believe that BYU sports are a missionary tool. I have lived out of the Mormon Bubble and in the mission field for quite a few years, and can absolutely tell you that I have never seen an incident of conversion that had anything to do with BYU athletics or athletes associated with BYU athletics.

There may be some good will or PR to the church from BYU's sports programs, but that is not a missionary tool in the sense that it brings in new converts or has anything to do with the holy ghost bearing witness. I have a hard time buying it when people say that BYU sports is a missionary tool. It is not, in my opinion.

so, poll!

http://gospelcougar.blogspot.com/200...f-tithing.html

Tex 06-13-2008 09:53 PM

First off, tithing money is not used to support sports (so far as I know). I know for a fact the money for the new indoor sports facility was raised entirely external to church donations. So you can take that chip off your shoulder.

As to a missionary tool ... that's really a loaded phrase. Does the football team convey the messages of the Book of Mormon? Certainly not. Does it open doors to hearing the gospel that might otherwise be closed. Hard to see how it doesn't.

BYU sports do not exist as an arm of missionary work. Thus I reject the idea that LDS athletes should "serve their missions" as a player on their respective team (blasphemy, I know). Nor do I think that active LDS members are obligated to cheer for BYU simply because it's an extension of their church.

Nonetheless, the team represents the school, and the school represents the church--so I think a certain amount of deference to its role in that regard is ok. Thus I have no problem with firesides in away game cities, devotionals at practice, and the like. It's part of being a team at a religious school. If that's your beef: get over it.

Indy Coug 06-13-2008 09:54 PM

A guy in my branch helped with the conversion of Eddie Sampson, BYU DB. It sure seemed to be a missionary tool for him.

creekster 06-13-2008 10:00 PM

By your apparent standard, nothing except a testimony wiht the spriti would be a missionary tool. BYU sports is a missionary tool like the MoTab, like the osmonds (maybe even better than some of the Osmonds) like Mr. Krueger's Christmas (without the heart warming score) and so forth. If it gives the church PR, then it makes it a little more likely that someone will sit still and listen to the miossionaries who, if they have avoided cougarguard beofre their missions, might be able to testify with the spirit and persuade the 'gator to convert.

All-American 06-13-2008 10:03 PM

The BYU trainer was the first counselor in my sophomore year Singles Ward. We toured the athletic facilities one day as a ward activity, and he said that the sentiment from those higher on the food chain was that if BYU athletics ceased to function as a missionary arm, they would scrap athletics.

Take that for what it's worth.

Goatnapper'96 06-13-2008 10:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OrangeUte (Post 231907)
just a rant:

I stumbled across this blog article while in a pissy mood that my tithing money actually goes to fund BYU tuition, and immediately got into a pissy mood that there are still really people who believe that BYU sports are a missionary tool. I have lived out of the Mormon Bubble and in the mission field for quite a few years, and can absolutely tell you that I have never seen an incident of conversion that had anything to do with BYU athletics or athletes associated with BYU athletics.

There may be some good will or PR to the church from BYU's sports programs, but that is not a missionary tool in the sense that it brings in new converts or has anything to do with the holy ghost bearing witness. I have a hard time buying it when people say that BYU sports is a missionary tool. It is not, in my opinion.

so, poll!

http://gospelcougar.blogspot.com/200...f-tithing.html

Orange, you are too smart a guy to get caught in the mormon binary world view trap. BYU sports can and does bring pr to the LDS Church. Some good, some bad. It lets the world know that we are not entirely a group of freaks but that we make some effort to be normal. Such exposure allows others a more positive interpretation of mormons instead of instantly affiliating the LDS Church with YFZ Ranch. It is possible for you to still intensely dislike BYU sports and still be a faithful mormon. It isn't neccesary to convince yourself it is evil, or not a crucial aspect of the Kingdom of God some want it to be, so that you can effectively deal with you poignant case of cognitive dissonance. ;)

Saying that it's best service is for the University. Having sports makes running a secular or pseudo secular religious academy much easier. Sports is a big part of student life at US Unviersities or even Academy's. Sports connect alumni back to the school and incent donations.

jay santos 06-13-2008 10:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Goatnapper'96 (Post 231926)
Orange, you are too smart a guy to get caught in the mormon binary world view trap. BYU sports can and does bring pr to the LDS Church. Some good, some bad. It lets the world know that we are not entirely a group of freaks but that we make some effort to be normal. Such exposure allows others a more positive interpretation of mormons instead of instantly affiliating the LDS Church with YFZ Ranch. It is possible for you to still intensely dislike BYU sports and still be a faithful mormon. It isn't neccesary to convince yourself it is evil, or not a crucial aspect of the Kingdom of God some want it to be, so that you can effectively deal with you poignant case of cognitive dissonance. ;)

Saying that it's best service is for the University. Having sports makes running a secular or pseudo secular religious academy much easier. Sports is a big part of student life at US Unviersities or even Academy's. Sports connect alumni back to the school and incent donations.

You're too easy on the ALUF. You're pussing out on us Goat.

il Padrino Ute 06-13-2008 10:29 PM

Jay, unlike you, Goat really doesn't believe God endorses BYU athletics.

Just thought you ought to know.

YOhio 06-13-2008 10:32 PM

Watching BYU football games at the chapel was a tool in fellowshipping my FIL from inactivity.

I also had a co-worker ask me why Chad Lewis was pestering Chinese people about BYU.

YOhio 06-13-2008 10:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by il Padrino Ute (Post 231929)
Jay, unlike you, Goat really doesn't believe God endorses BYU athletics.

Just thought you ought to know.

This post was in violation of our earlier agreement that you would refrain from discussing BYU athletics.


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