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Forum: Religion 08-27-2008, 05:35 PM
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Views: 10,130
Posted By jay santos
If Joseph Smith received a revelation saying that...

If Joseph Smith received a revelation saying that serious sinners had to run around the block naked in a snowstorm three times to receive forgiveness from the church, then we would now be arguing...
Forum: Religion 08-26-2008, 10:43 PM
Replies: 134
Views: 10,130
Posted By jay santos
Yuck

Yuck
Forum: Religion 08-26-2008, 10:36 PM
Replies: 134
Views: 10,130
Posted By jay santos
I think that's how you interpet it. My...

I think that's how you interpet it.

My interpretation is that you could probably write a book about what the word forsakes means in this instance. But your simple, hard-liner interpretation is...
Forum: Religion 08-26-2008, 10:26 PM
Replies: 134
Views: 10,130
Posted By jay santos
we are all sinners => penitent sinners confess...

we are all sinners =>
penitent sinners confess and forsake =>
forsake means to not commit again =>
if you commit a sin after attempting to repent, you are an unrepentant sinner

So, Tex is an...
Forum: Religion 08-26-2008, 10:21 PM
Replies: 134
Views: 10,130
Posted By jay santos
Sorrow of the damned in this scripture is someone...

Sorrow of the damned in this scripture is someone who is sorry because of the consequences they've created not sorry for their actions. That's not what I'm talking about. Th sorrow of the damned...
Forum: Religion 08-26-2008, 10:12 PM
Replies: 134
Views: 10,130
Posted By jay santos
Your wife beating tangent was so ridiculous, I...

Your wife beating tangent was so ridiculous, I won't even respond.

But you're coming back to this?

Have you ever repeated the same sin more than once? You're an unrepentant sinner...
Forum: Religion 08-26-2008, 09:36 PM
Replies: 134
Views: 10,130
Posted By jay santos
I believe we will all be judged differently. But...

I believe we will all be judged differently. But it doesn't go by how far you climb up the church ladder.

A former bishop could be allowed to go through a difficult period and experience...
Forum: Religion 08-26-2008, 09:06 PM
Replies: 134
Views: 10,130
Posted By jay santos
I don't like anything about the church court...

I don't like anything about the church court system. I don't think it would hurt to completely blow it apart. Maybe keep a probation type thing where bishop releases someone from calling, takes...
Forum: Religion 08-26-2008, 07:26 PM
Replies: 134
Views: 10,130
Posted By jay santos
Also answering Indy's question... Let's...

Also answering Indy's question...

Let's throw out the child molester question. Nobody likes child molesters. But let's include every other sin including murder.

I don't believe in...
Forum: Religion 08-26-2008, 05:49 PM
Replies: 134
Views: 10,130
Posted By jay santos
That's a terrible reason. "Some self-righteous...

That's a terrible reason. "Some self-righteous members might freak out if we don't excommunicate you. Sorry."
Forum: Religion 08-26-2008, 04:21 PM
Replies: 134
Views: 10,130
Posted By jay santos
I agree the church treats bishops and stake...

I agree the church treats bishops and stake prez's differently in church courts.

But, I don't believe a bishop or stake president because of their role has any more accountability to God or has...
Forum: Religion 08-26-2008, 01:52 PM
Replies: 134
Views: 10,130
Posted By jay santos
blah blah blah BS. Someone's got to be bishop...

blah blah blah BS. Someone's got to be bishop and stake president.
Forum: Religion 08-25-2008, 09:43 PM
Replies: 134
Views: 10,130
Posted By jay santos
I met a Mennonite proselyter on a trip recently...

I met a Mennonite proselyter on a trip recently that used 1 Cor 5:13 in his literature to show God's true church should excommunicate obstinate sinners. He said if a Mennonite had a TV and refused...
Forum: Religion 08-25-2008, 05:11 PM
Replies: 134
Views: 10,130
Posted By jay santos
I'll try again with a definition. ...

I'll try again with a definition.

Consensual sex between a man and a woman where no rape allegations are made.
Forum: Religion 08-25-2008, 04:56 PM
Replies: 134
Views: 10,130
Posted By jay santos
I don't believe consensual sex is grounds for...

I don't believe consensual sex is grounds for getting kicked out of BYU anymore. No one in the athletic program has been kicked out for it in almost ten years.
Forum: Religion 08-25-2008, 04:03 PM
Replies: 134
Views: 10,130
Posted By jay santos
This hasn't happened since Ronney Jenkins, Mikeli...

This hasn't happened since Ronney Jenkins, Mikeli Wesley and Reno Mahe almost ten years ago.
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