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I have said no such thing. I have never stated that the LDS church should not take a stand on homosexuality, or even homosexual marriage. I have said that they should not lead efforts to establish legislation which codifies the church's position on homosexual marriage.
The church "compels" acceptance of its position when it does everything within its power to make its belief a matter of law.
Not only have we been on the losing side of legislation, we have been on the wrong side of many moral issues. That is to be expected, as the church is run by imperfect, though inspired beings. Given our past experiences, I would think more caution would be in order here.
I do find it ironic that most LDS people are much more opposed to polygamy today than non-LDS people. In this very thread, some have said that we cannot accept homosexual marriage because it could then open the door to polygamy. I tend to think polygamy is much more harmful to a society than homosexual marriage is, but the LDS position on the topic today is light years away from where it began.
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Your argument is baseless, the Church is doing what it can to preserve marriage and to limit the degradation of family. You want it to not push legislation, but you have no problem with other groups to push legislation. |
Why would I have a problem with other groups pushing for legislation? That is the purpose of those groups. I would think the distinction is clear. The purpose of the LDS church, or any church, is not to push for legislation, it is to promote a higher moral standard in society through persuasion, service, and creating an atmosphere where the Spirit can operate.
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The purpose of the LDS church, or any church, is not to push for legislation, it is to promote a higher moral standard in society through persuasion, service, and creating an atmosphere where the Spirit can operate.
Funny, last time I read about the threefold purpose of the Church, it didn't include that definition.
Neither did Moses 1:39 or whatever verse that is, that deals with bringing to pass the eternal life of man.
It's main purpose is not to promote a higher moral standard, but to elevate man to meet God, to live with God. There is nothing in that directive which prohibits the Corporation of the First Presidency from advocating for or against legislation pertaining to its value system.
What is your hidden agenda here that you don't want the Church to offend gay men?
There's an interest group that's likely to support Church. Go ahead offend them as they have nothing in common with us. Offend bigots, terroists and all others sorts as well.
Will other groups advocate faith-based legislation that offends us? Possibly. So what. That's the way it is in love and war.