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Old 10-14-2008, 06:53 PM   #21
Jeff Lebowski
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Originally Posted by Levin View Post
Your entire argument is premised on the fact that the Church will change its stance.

I don't think that will happen, and I think SU's argument assumes that it won't happen as well, at least in the short term.

So we're speaking past each other.

If the Church changes its stance, then of course you're right. That's easy.

The hard part is to predict what will happen if the Church doesn't change its stance, and I think the use of "centuries" is not glib -- in the next centuries, the Church will indeed be a pariah as the world comes to universally accept gay rights and gay marriage.
History tells me that the church is dynamic. Not static.
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