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Originally Posted by Ma'ake
For the sake of argument, let's say Obama is a "socialist". (We're really talking about the "Social Democrat" part of the political spectrum, but that's a debate for another day.)
So, what?
How is this a full repudiation of capitalism / the market system? How is the modest raising of taxes in exchange for a broader safety net such a bad thing? Does anyone really believe this is the first step toward complete socialism/communism?
Exactly how is freedom eroded in this hypothetical? Doesn't broader (practical) access to healthcare result in greater "freedom" for many (hell, for all, when we're talking about the end of sharp cost-shifting)? Aren't the (growing) gaps in coverage we have now a form of "unfreedom"?
I get the hard-right, purist libertarian view that taxes for roads, for instance, is a form of unfreedom. I'm talking about the more generic conservative view.
It seems to me that trading in the really high rollercoaster for a more tempered material existence would be attractive to just about everyone. How many genuinely need that extra 500 sq ft in a home of 4000? Isn't this part of how we got to the current situation?
(And can we avoid talk about "Satan's plan" and ad hominem smears of "Marxist!")
Doesn't this really all boil down to an aversion for (even the potential) for higher taxes? "I got mine, let everyone else figure out how to deal with their own problems" (I would argue that low taxes + higher deficits amounts to selfishness for the today, deferring problems to later generations, but that's a debate for another day.)
I guess I'm really struggling with how greater government involvement in economic matters is such a horrific development that leads to inevitable calamity.
(For the record, I favor a much more centrist approach and believe that Obama will push in that direction in the interests of forging greater national consensus.)
LOL - I'm counting a whole lot of questions in this post... but go get 'em!
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I'm amazed at how much posting so many of you do. I read the board probably 20 to 40 minutes a day, but find the time to do much posting only once or twice a month. I read this post several days ago and wanted to reply, but have been unable to until now.
This thread got focused on whether or not socialism suppresses the drive to excel. I think the bigger problem is that it gives economic power to those who already have political power, and this consolidation of power should be concerning to Americans in general. It provides tremendous temptation for corruption and abuse of power.