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You won't convince ever that having Democrats will be good for me and my house.

You're trying, but I am not that much happier about Reagan or Bush, except they reduced the top marginal rates.

The Democrats cannot benefit me.

The true bottom line for anybody is, at the end of the day, do you take home and retain more of your earnings. That's what this rat race is about. If not, then all the rhetoric is meaningless. Under Democrats I'm poorer, under Reps, I eek out a few dollars more.

Society is about producing capital, subject to certain enabling constraints.

What I produce for my family in terms of capital and quality time is how I will be judged. Democratic policies impede my abilities to maximze quality time and to maximize my capital. Neither Reps nor Dems care about any of us, and the hopes that somebody around the corner might lurk is a reason to throw out people I don't like for people I dislike more?

That logic is completely irrational.

The truth is, you never hold Democrats, whether in power or out of power to a high standard. Until Reagan, I remember election after election the Dems controlling the Congress and nobody cared about all the excess spending and NO Democrat took the Dems to task. Only the Reps.

So I do not believe any Dem stating, the only reason he doesn't hold Dems to the same standard is due to lack of power. Dems don't canabalize their own. And in reality, I don't ask them to and it is unreasonable for you to wonder why Reps don't canabalize their own.

And you think I'm going out on a limb to see Foley won't be reelected. If he were a Dem, he would be reelected in a Democratic section, and most Dems would vote for him. There is A double standard and Dems won't admit it.

Dems traditionally impose NO standard of conduct on Dems. We have all the Roosevelt, Truman, Kennedy, and even Nixon years to prove that.

Now I won't with a straight face post that Reps have a much better standard, but because Reps are less pragmatic than most Dems, the Rep standard is higher, not where it should be ideally, but Reps will refuse to vote for a women killer, or child molester of their party. I've never seen any evidence Dems won't.

The bottom line is, I won't excoriate Dems for not holding their party representatives to any standard of personal conduct at all. I don't expect them to, and never will, if I ever did. You may be able to scan the entire expanse of our history where Democrats did exercise, but absolutely none come to mind. The fact that you state now, in the convenience of board, that you would, is unconvincing and entirely self-serving for your argument. It is simply not credible.

And Reps are NO different, or very little different. My beleif is that a small number of Reps care about personal integrity, so those small numbers will refuse to vote for Reps, whom might be agreeable to them on the political issues, if the personal issues are disagreeable. However, the numbers of Dems will to walk this walk are less than negligible.