Re: 9/11, I don't know how to say this without sounding like a bad person. - cougarguard.com — unofficial BYU Cougars / LDS sports, football, basketball forum and message board

SeattleUte · 09-11-2006, 04:21 AM

I'm not callous about the lives lost in 9/11. Really. I pored over those thousands of little profiles of the slain in the NYTimes and was extremely moved. The scenes of people jumping to their deaths, etc. were possibly the most disturbing things I've ever seen.

But I have to say, I'm now finding the coverage of the fifth anniversary event a little oppressive. Maybe it's because I have this nagging feeling that if it had happened in Kansas City there'd be a lot less to do about it. I can't really articulate why I feel uneasy about the current dialogue. People died in the Pentagon, didn't they? You never hear anything about that. This event to us is/has become kind of like 10+ million Russian dead in WWII to the Russian people. Maybe it's the combination of the way we (especially New Yorkers) think we're the center of the world, but really we're so removed from it. Our reaction to 9/11 seems to have become a metaphor for that. Maybe it's because I read too much of the NY Times and the New Yorker. I've been treated to every detail of planning for what they're going to do with the site to honor the dead, including the artistic, political and ego squabbles. I stopped reading long ago. I love memorials. The ones in D.C. are some of my favorite places, the way they encapsulate such important, really sacred events and concepts. But right now I feel no urge to go stand in huge lines to see whatever they're going to put at ground 0. Right now it seems kind of more about the living than the dead to me.

Maybe it's because Bush so callously and cynically used 9/11 to incite political support for his adventure in Iraq. Some Israeli folks have pointed out that Americans always expect more self-restraint from them but the Israelis have suffered so much more than we have from terrorism.

The event was horrific. It just seems it's being cast in a somewhat florid light right now. I can't really put my finger on the problem. Sorry if anyone thinks I'm a bad person. I don't mean to be insensitive. Sometimes I just believe less is more.

RockyBalboa · 09-11-2006, 05:38 AM

It's probably because you are a bad person. That's no surprise.

SeattleUte · 09-11-2006, 05:45 AM

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Originally Posted by RockyBalboa

It's probably because you are a bad person. That's no surprise.

The thing I miss about EQ is smart guys like Rocky.

RockyBalboa · 09-11-2006, 02:53 PM

Really it's okay SU, I couldn't think less of you more than I already do anyway so it's all good.

All-American · 09-11-2006, 03:01 PM

Moments like this make me realize how much I miss the fifth grade.

Archaea · 09-11-2006, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by SeattleUte

I'm not callous about the lives lost in 9/11. Really. I pored over those thousands of little profiles of the slain in the NYTimes and was extremely moved. The scenes of people jumping to their deaths, etc. were possibly the most disturbing things I've ever seen.

But I have to say, I'm now finding the coverage of the fifth anniversary event a little oppressive. Maybe it's because I have this nagging feeling that if it had happened in Kansas City there'd be a lot less to do about it. I can't really articulate why I feel uneasy about the current dialogue. People died in the Pentagon, didn't they? You never hear anything about that. This event to us is has become kind of like 10+ million Russian dead in WWII to the Russian people. Maybe it's the combination of the way we (especially New Yorkers) think we're the center of the world, but really we're so removed from it. Our reaction to 9/11 seems to have become a metaphor for that. Maybe it's because I read too much of the NY Times and the New Yorker. I've been treated to every detail of planning for what they're going to do with the site to honor the dead, including the artistic, political and ego squabbles. I stopped reading long ago. I love memorials. The ones in D.C. are some of my favorite places, the way they encapsulate such inmprtant, really sacred events and concepts. But right now I feel no urge to go stand in huge lines to see whatever they're going to put at ground 0. Right now it seems kind of more about the living than the dead to me.

Maybe it's because Bush so callously and cynically used 9/11 to incite political support for his adventure in Iraq. Some Israeli folks have pointed out that Americans always expect more self-restraint from them but the Israelis have suffered so much more than we have from terrorism.

The event was horrific. It just seems it's being cast in a somewhat florid light right now. I can't really put my finger on the problem. Sorry if anyone thinks I'm a bad person. I don't mean to be insensitive. Sometimes I just believe less is more.

A bad person wouldn't worry if he were a bad person. I doubt a bad person introspects.

BTW, I feel the same way. If Seattle had been bombed instead, we'd not have the same bombardment. If Vegas had been bombed, people would have thought we got what we deserved, being so sinful.

Other bad events have occurred in other nations and their politicians abuse it as well. 9/11 is not a defining moment for me; tragic as it is.

But then again I'm no longer part of the body politic, so perhaps I don't feel the pulse as I once did.

Jeff Lebowski · 09-11-2006, 03:10 PM

Yeah, but he's part of the "Huevos Club".

myboynoah · 09-11-2006, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by SeattleUte

I'm not callous about the lives lost in 9/11. Really. I pored over those thousands of little profiles of the slain in the NYTimes and was extremely moved. The scenes of people jumping to their deaths, etc. were possibly the most disturbing things I've ever seen.

But I have to say, I'm now finding the coverage of the fifth anniversary event a little oppressive. Maybe it's because I have this nagging feeling that if it had happened in Kansas City there'd be a lot less to do about it. I can't really articulate why I feel uneasy about the current dialogue. People died in the Pentagon, didn't they? You never hear anything about that. This event to us is has become kind of like 10+ million Russian dead in WWII to the Russian people. Maybe it's the combination of the way we (especially New Yorkers) think we're the center of the world, but really we're so removed from it. Our reaction to 9/11 seems to have become a metaphor for that. Maybe it's because I read too much of the NY Times and the New Yorker. I've been treated to every detail of planning for what they're going to do with the site to honor the dead, including the artistic, political and ego squabbles. I stopped reading long ago. I love memorials. The ones in D.C. are some of my favorite places, the way they encapsulate such inmprtant, really sacred events and concepts. But right now I feel no urge to go stand in huge lines to see whatever they're going to put at ground 0. Right now it seems kind of more about the living than the dead to me.

Maybe it's because Bush so callously and cynically used 9/11 to incite political support for his adventure in Iraq. Some Israeli folks have pointed out that Americans always expect more self-restraint from them but the Israelis have suffered so much more than we have from terrorism.

The event was horrific. It just seems it's being cast in a somewhat florid light right now. I can't really put my finger on the problem. Sorry if anyone thinks I'm a bad person. I don't mean to be insensitive. Sometimes I just believe less is more.

Whew, I'm glad someone else said it. I was just talking about this with my boss.

I guess I'm a bad person also.

Jeff Lebowski · 09-11-2006, 03:16 PM

Well said, SU. I agree completely.

fusnik11 · 09-11-2006, 03:18 PM

I have very little emotional ties to 9/11. I was serving a mission, didn't take the time to watch the video of the bombings, didn't talk at length with my companions about what had happened, bought the newspapers, magazines, but couldn't get emotionally connected with the tragedy.

Last night on Fox News, they had a mini-discussion about certain conspiracy theories behind the bombings, I thought it interesting for Fox to do a piece like that.

09-11-2006, 04:21 AM	#1
SeattleUte fairlds.org Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 10,665	Re: 9/11, I don't know how to say this without sounding like a bad person. I'm not callous about the lives lost in 9/11. Really. I pored over those thousands of little profiles of the slain in the NYTimes and was extremely moved. The scenes of people jumping to their deaths, etc. were possibly the most disturbing things I've ever seen. But I have to say, I'm now finding the coverage of the fifth anniversary event a little oppressive. Maybe it's because I have this nagging feeling that if it had happened in Kansas City there'd be a lot less to do about it. I can't really articulate why I feel uneasy about the current dialogue. People died in the Pentagon, didn't they? You never hear anything about that. This event to us is/has become kind of like 10+ million Russian dead in WWII to the Russian people. Maybe it's the combination of the way we (especially New Yorkers) think we're the center of the world, but really we're so removed from it. Our reaction to 9/11 seems to have become a metaphor for that. Maybe it's because I read too much of the NY Times and the New Yorker. I've been treated to every detail of planning for what they're going to do with the site to honor the dead, including the artistic, political and ego squabbles. I stopped reading long ago. I love memorials. The ones in D.C. are some of my favorite places, the way they encapsulate such important, really sacred events and concepts. But right now I feel no urge to go stand in huge lines to see whatever they're going to put at ground 0. Right now it seems kind of more about the living than the dead to me. Maybe it's because Bush so callously and cynically used 9/11 to incite political support for his adventure in Iraq. Some Israeli folks have pointed out that Americans always expect more self-restraint from them but the Israelis have suffered so much more than we have from terrorism. The event was horrific. It just seems it's being cast in a somewhat florid light right now. I can't really put my finger on the problem. Sorry if anyone thinks I'm a bad person. I don't mean to be insensitive. Sometimes I just believe less is more. __________________ Interrupt all you like. We're involved in a complicated story here, and not everything is quite what it seems to be. —Paul Auster Last edited by SeattleUte; 09-11-2006 at 04:25 PM.

09-11-2006, 05:38 AM	#2
RockyBalboa Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Salt Lake City Posts: 7,297	It's probably because you are a bad person. That's no surprise. __________________ Masquerading as Cougarguards very own genius dumbass since 05'.

09-11-2006, 02:53 PM	#4
RockyBalboa Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Salt Lake City Posts: 7,297	Really it's okay SU, I couldn't think less of you more than I already do anyway so it's all good. __________________ Masquerading as Cougarguards very own genius dumbass since 05'.

09-11-2006, 03:01 PM	#5
All-American Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 3,420	Moments like this make me realize how much I miss the fifth grade. __________________ εν αρχη ην ο λογος

09-11-2006, 03:10 PM	#7
Jeff Lebowski Charon Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: In the heart of darkness (Provo) Posts: 9,564	Yeah, but he's part of the "Huevos Club". __________________ "... the arc of the universe is long but it bends toward justice." Martin Luther King, Jr.

09-11-2006, 03:16 PM	#9
Jeff Lebowski Charon Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: In the heart of darkness (Provo) Posts: 9,564	Well said, SU. I agree completely. __________________ "... the arc of the universe is long but it bends toward justice." Martin Luther King, Jr.

09-11-2006, 03:18 PM	#10
fusnik11 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 2,506	I have very little emotional ties to 9/11. I was serving a mission, didn't take the time to watch the video of the bombings, didn't talk at length with my companions about what had happened, bought the newspapers, magazines, but couldn't get emotionally connected with the tragedy. Last night on Fox News, they had a mini-discussion about certain conspiracy theories behind the bombings, I thought it interesting for Fox to do a piece like that.