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Old 08-27-2007, 05:43 AM   #1
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Those who think Bonds is just here to hit HRs are wrong.

Look at this year's leaders in OPS (a much better run-predictor than AVG).

Bonds 1.093
A-Rod 1.047
Ordoñez 1.026


driven mostly by Bonds' 125 BBs.

Since OBP is out of 1.000 and SLG 4.000, we should weight them differently. When we use best-fit OPS (1.75*OBP + SLG), and adjust for park, we get:

Bonds 1.490
Ordoñez 1.351
A-Rod 1.328


Hence Bonds is contributing much more in run production than A-Rod and it's not even close.



(the one thing I didn't factor in is fielding, which I don't know how. Maybe Bond's huddy fielding offsets better plate performance, but I doubt it.)
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Old 08-27-2007, 06:28 AM   #2
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Bonds is, without question, the greatest player of my generation. He's like the modern day Ty Cobb - a world class dickhead with more talent than decency.

That said, I'd still take A-Rod because of the overall package. Bonds defense in his early days was actually very good, but he's decided that hitting home runs is more important. A-Rod can hit, play defense and is younger.
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Old 08-27-2007, 03:06 PM   #3
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Those who think Bonds is just here to hit HRs are wrong.

Look at this year's leaders in OPS (a much better run-predictor than AVG).

Bonds 1.093
A-Rod 1.047
Ordoñez 1.026

driven mostly by Bonds' 125 BBs.

Since OBP is out of 1.000 and SLG 4.000, we should weight them differently. When we use best-fit OPS (1.75*OBP + SLG), and adjust for park, we get:

Bonds 1.490
Ordoñez 1.351
A-Rod 1.328

Hence Bonds is contributing much more in run production than A-Rod and it's not even close.



(the one thing I didn't factor in is fielding, which I don't know how. Maybe Bond's huddy fielding offsets better plate performance, but I doubt it.)
If you ignore the steroids factor, Bonds is the greatest offensive player in history, no question. His HR/at bat stat there for a few years was mind boggling.
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If you ignore the steroids factor, Bonds is the greatest offensive player in history, no question. His HR/at bat stat there for a few years was mind boggling.
this is only 2007 I'm talking about.
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Bonds is, without question, the greatest player of my generation. He's like the modern day Ty Cobb - a world class dickhead with more talent than decency.

That said, I'd still take A-Rod because of the overall package. Bonds defense in his early days was actually very good, but he's decided that hitting home runs is more important. A-Rod can hit, play defense and is younger.
Seems like you just said A-Rod is the best player of your generation. Is he of a later one, is that what you mean?
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Question on Bonds. Let's say he's been off steroids for at least two years. Would he still be enjoying a steroids effect today?
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