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SoonerCoug · 06-10-2008, 10:24 PM

I think the smartest way to run a campaign would be to visit every state in the union and reach out to specific, major groups without alienating minorities.

Sometimes I dream about Obama coming to Utah and "reaching out" to Mormons in a speech. He could acknowledge differences on key issues like abortion, while focusing on aspects of his political worldview that are compatible with Mormonism or Christianity.

I believe that Mormons desperately want to be acknowledged, accepted, and understood. The same is true of almost every group in society. If a democratic presidential candidate would reach out to Mormons (and all other major groups), I think a significant percentage of them would vote democrat.

Unfortunately, the Mormon vote doesn't mean anything, so Obama will never give that kind of speech in Utah.

The Bush campaign reached out to religious groups by making web sites like "KerryWrongForMormons.com" and "KerryWrongForBaptists.com" (no longer in existence). Why can't Obama reach out to religious groups too, but with a positive message?

Archaea · 06-10-2008, 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by MudphudCoug

I think the smartest way to run a campaign would be to visit every state in the union and reach out to specific, major groups without alienating minorities.

Sometimes I dream about Obama coming to Utah and "reaching out" to Mormons in a speech. He could acknowledge differences on key issues like abortion, while focusing on aspects of his political worldview that are compatible with Mormonism or Christianity.

I believe that Mormons desperately want to be acknowledged, accepted, and understood. The same is true of almost every group in society. If a democratic presidential candidate would reach out to Mormons (and all other major groups), I think a significant percentage of them would vote democrat.

Unfortunately, the Mormon vote doesn't mean anything, so Obama will never give that kind of speech in Utah.

The Bush campaign reached out to religious groups by making web sites like "KerryWrongForMormons.com" and "KerryWrongForBaptists.com" (no longer in existence). Why can't Obama reach out to religious groups too, but with a positive message?

KeepHopeAliveSomeDayMormonsWillBeChristiansToo.com

or IKnowMormonsAreJustACultButCultsAreLovedToo.com

Sounds like a winner to me.

il Padrino Ute · 06-10-2008, 11:59 PM

Democrat Presidential hopefuls are too big of pussies to come to Utah, especially that Rocky the Weasel is no longer mayor of Salt Lake.

YOhio · 06-11-2008, 01:18 AM

Obama was scheduled to come to Utah before the primary, but President Hinckley died that weekend and he opted out to show respect. IIRC, his wife came and met with Elder Ballard.

TripletDaddy · 06-11-2008, 04:15 AM

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Originally Posted by il Padrino Ute

Democrat Presidential hopefuls are too big of pussies to come to Utah, especially that Rocky the Weasel is no longer mayor of Salt Lake.

really, none of the candidates, R or D, come here for more than a day or so at a time, if that. sometimes they land and only stay for a few hours.

If you were a campaign strategist, why would you allow your boss to come to Utah? what a huge waste of time. Very few EC votes at stake. It isnt a Utah thing. they also arent spending a ton of time in Idaho, Nebraska, or Kansas, either.

Galvanizing the mormon vote is useless, too. Didnt help Mitt out much.

myboynoah · 06-11-2008, 02:36 PM

Obama should get baptized. That would galvanize the Mormon vote.

MikeWaters · 06-11-2008, 02:43 PM

Bob Barr would get a better reception in Utah than Obama.

Indy Coug · 06-11-2008, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeWaters

Bob Barr would get a better reception in Utah than Obama.

Yep

MikeWaters · 06-11-2008, 03:00 PM

Ron Paul would do better in Utah than Obama, and Ron Paul may actually be certifiable.

Indy Coug · 06-11-2008, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeWaters

Ron Paul would do better in Utah than Obama, and Ron Paul may actually be certifiable.

Perot beat out Clinton and Perot is certifiable.

06-10-2008, 10:24 PM	#1
SoonerCoug Formerly known as MudPhudCoug Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Land of desolation Posts: 2,548	Utah as a swing state I think the smartest way to run a campaign would be to visit every state in the union and reach out to specific, major groups without alienating minorities. Sometimes I dream about Obama coming to Utah and "reaching out" to Mormons in a speech. He could acknowledge differences on key issues like abortion, while focusing on aspects of his political worldview that are compatible with Mormonism or Christianity. I believe that Mormons desperately want to be acknowledged, accepted, and understood. The same is true of almost every group in society. If a democratic presidential candidate would reach out to Mormons (and all other major groups), I think a significant percentage of them would vote democrat. Unfortunately, the Mormon vote doesn't mean anything, so Obama will never give that kind of speech in Utah. The Bush campaign reached out to religious groups by making web sites like "KerryWrongForMormons.com" and "KerryWrongForBaptists.com" (no longer in existence). Why can't Obama reach out to religious groups too, but with a positive message?

06-10-2008, 11:59 PM	#3
il Padrino Ute Board Pinhead Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: In the basement of my house, Murray, Utah. Posts: 15,941	Democrat Presidential hopefuls are too big of pussies to come to Utah, especially that Rocky the Weasel is no longer mayor of Salt Lake. __________________ "The beauty of baseball is not having to explain it." - Chuck Shriver "This is now the joke that stupid people laugh at." - Christopher Hitchens on IQ jokes about GWB.

06-11-2008, 02:36 PM	#6
myboynoah Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Memphis freakin' Tennessee!!!!! Posts: 4,530	Obama should get baptized. That would galvanize the Mormon vote. __________________ Give 'em Hell, Cougars!!! Religion rises inevitably from our apprehension of our own death. To give meaning to meaninglessness is the endless quest of all religion. When death becomes the center of our consciousness, then religion authentically begins. Of all religions that I know, the one that most vehemently and persuasively defies and denies the reality of death is the original Mormonism of the Prophet, Seer and Revelator, Joseph Smith.

06-11-2008, 01:18 AM	#4
YOhio AKA SeattleNewt Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 7,055	Obama was scheduled to come to Utah before the primary, but President Hinckley died that weekend and he opted out to show respect. IIRC, his wife came and met with Elder Ballard.

06-11-2008, 02:43 PM	#7
MikeWaters Demiurge Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 36,365	Bob Barr would get a better reception in Utah than Obama.

06-11-2008, 03:00 PM	#9
MikeWaters Demiurge Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 36,365	Ron Paul would do better in Utah than Obama, and Ron Paul may actually be certifiable.