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Old 05-15-2007, 06:39 PM   #1
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Default Things could get interesting again.

http://www.time.com/time/nation/arti...te-cnn-partner

McNulty will undoubtedly be offered immunity by Congress in exchange for juicy details that he previously omitted from his testimony (if any such details exist). If such details do exist, Bush will really regret holding onto Gonzales.

Conveniently, Gonzales today announced that it was McNulty (who just quit) who really had a hand in the firings of the prosecutors. No love (or leadership) at the DOJ these days.
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McNulty will undoubtedly be offered immunity by Congress in exchange for juicy details that he previously omitted from his testimony (if any such details exist). If such details do exist, Bush will really regret holding onto Gonzales.

Conveniently, Gonzales today announced that it was McNulty (who just quit) who really had a hand in the firings of the prosecutors. No love (or leadership) at the DOJ these days.
That picture of McNulty speaks a thousand words.
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Interesting? The Gonzales firings are interesting only to lefty blogs and Keith Olberman. I find the whole affair to be terribly boring.
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Interesting? The Gonzales firings are interesting only to lefty blogs and Keith Olberman. I find the whole affair to be terribly boring.
I agree with this except that I'm a conservative not a democrat. The whole affair is not quite terribly boring to me despising Bush and his acolytes as I do and because one of the fired U.S. Attys is a former partner of mine who has been denouncing Gonzoles in the press.
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Old 05-16-2007, 04:56 AM   #5
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Interesting? The Gonzales firings are interesting only to lefty blogs and Keith Olberman. I find the whole affair to be terribly boring.
I find it interesting because I would really like to see what IS a fireable offense, especially in the wake of Tony Snow saying that Wolfie the Great's indulgence of his ladyfriend "is NOT a fireable offense." Talk about firm resolve, Bush will not change his mind now matter how much it makes sense.
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How does anybody without a personal stake continue to be interested in these affairs?

I remember growing weary of Watergate, which was plastered on the front of the morning and afternoon paper. Since I delilvered the papers, it was a pain, seeing it constantly.

I wonder if a majority of citizens don't tune it out, just as I do now.
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I find it interesting because I would really like to see what IS a fireable offense, especially in the wake of Tony Snow saying that Wolfie the Great's indulgence of his ladyfriend "is NOT a fireable offense." Talk about firm resolve, Bush will not change his mind now matter how much it makes sense.
True to form, you're willing to convict anyone associated with Bush without more than a cursory look at the facts.

On the face of it, it did indeed appear that Wolfowitz behaved improperly, and I was willing to agree with you. But the more I learn about the situation, the more it seems Wolfowitz may have been trying to resolve the problem in an ethical manner. It seems he was mislead by the ethics folks he was speaking to and they may have led him into a trap. His strong efforts at reforming an extremely corrupt World Bank are not very popular with the upper-ups there. This is their chance to submarine him.

That's not to say he's fully innocent, or that he ought not to step down. It just appears more complicated than a Bush appointee taking advantage of his position.

But good liberal that you are, you never miss a chance to take a cheap shot at Bush as a result.
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True to form, you're willing to convict anyone associated with Bush without more than a cursory look at the facts.

On the face of it, it did indeed appear that Wolfowitz behaved improperly, and I was willing to agree with you. But the more I learn about the situation, the more it seems Wolfowitz may have been trying to resolve the problem in an ethical manner. It seems he was mislead by the ethics folks he was speaking to and they may have led him into a trap. His strong efforts at reforming an extremely corrupt World Bank are not very popular with the upper-ups there. This is their chance to submarine him.

That's not to say he's fully innocent, or that he ought not to step down. It just appears more complicated than a Bush appointee taking advantage of his position.

But good liberal that you are, you never miss a chance to take a cheap shot at Bush as a result.
You are taking quite the position there. There isn't evidence that he was "led into a trap." There is plenty of evidence that his girlfriend was promoted and given pay raises that far exceeded the levels allowed for by the bank's policies.
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Paul Wolfowitz fights against corruption, and then intervenes for his girlfriend.

This is like Eliot Ness taking a bribe.

Sorry, Paul, you should have had better judgement. Your arrogance got the better of you. Again.

Put in someone who will fight against corruption and will hold himself to the same standards he expects of others.
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You are taking quite the position there. There isn't evidence that he was "led into a trap." There is plenty of evidence that his girlfriend was promoted and given pay raises that far exceeded the levels allowed for by the bank's policies.
Yes, and on the face of it, my first reaction was, "Oops, sorry Paul. Time for you to go."

However, it appears he consulted a bank ethics panel before going through with the promotion and they approved it. Moreover, it appears they rejected a proposal by him to recuse himself from personnel matters concerning his girlfriend. And the deeper the media and the lawyers dig, the murkier it gets from there.

Wolfowitz may or may not have acted ethically, I don't know, and I agree it doesn't look good on the surface. But I'll be damned if I sit by and watch folks like detroiddad who have no more knowledge of the situation then I do take an additional cheap shot at Bush unanswered.
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