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Goatnapper'96 · 10-15-2008, 08:14 PM

Many of those pass completions in the 2006 breakout game were made with so little room for error. The preponderance of Beck's receivers were rarely open by normal standards but John was just dialed in that day. He only needed a little room and the ball was delivered there.

This TCU defense can defend. Perhaps they are softer against the pass than the rush but this is an interesting matchup. I don't think Max Hall is quite as accurate as Beck was. However, Max is one hell of a competitor and he tends to kick it up a notch when the stage is biggest. I thought he had his best game of the year last year against TCU when the circumstances were similar in that BYU had been a bit sluggish offensively for a few weeks and while the TCU situation was different they were supposedly putting it all together finally as they came up against BYU. So I am torn as I try to figure out what is going to happen in this game.

Will BYU be the first team to be able to mount any rushing attack against TCU? Can Max Hall be that accurate? Is the pressure going to make BYU blink or will Hall dial it up and notch and demonstrate why he is such a competitive lil SOB?

This is fun. BYU hasn't had a fun game buildup in weeks.

I do believe one thing in that if both teams play to their potential, BYU will win. I really believe when at their best, the BYU squad is better. Usually the better team wins. I believe if BYU scores 21 or more points they will win.

Hot Lunch · 10-15-2008, 09:00 PM

Beck was money that game and it really was the game that he made that jump to a really good qb. One thing that I think plays in the favor of BYU is that for a short week their offense is much more difficult to prepare for than than the TCU offense. Being cut short a couple of days of practice will IMO benefit Max and the BYU offense because they do have a lot of weapons to work with and game plan for.

The_Tick · 10-15-2008, 09:55 PM

HL,

If you are planning the attack for BYU for this game what do you do?

Do you try to establish the run to show TCU that you aren't going to back down?

Or do you establish the pass and shot TCU that you are going to dictate your offense and not allow their defense to set the tone...

jay santos · 10-15-2008, 10:02 PM

I think Hall's accuracy is as good as Beck's. The main diff I see is the arm strength. Hall tries to thread the needle and he'll get picks against a fast D.

smokymountainrain · 10-15-2008, 10:04 PM

Hall is a better QB than Beck. We can talk arm strength, accuracy, whatever - the fact is, Hall is just a better QB.

If this game comes down to BYU's QB play, BYU will win.

jay santos · 10-15-2008, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by smokymountainrain

Hall is a better QB than Beck. We can talk arm strength, accuracy, whatever - the fact is, Hall is just a better QB.

If this game comes down to BYU's QB play, BYU will win.

He's not better than Beck 2006 yet. He's better than all previous versions of Beck.

Hot Lunch · 10-15-2008, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by The_Tick

HL,

If you are planning the attack for BYU for this game what do you do?

Do you try to establish the run to show TCU that you aren't going to back down?

Or do you establish the pass and shot TCU that you are going to dictate your offense and not allow their defense to set the tone...

I think BYU has to come out and establish a run game. There is no doubt in my mind that BYU can run against these guys. BYU didn't do that against New Mexico an IMO it hurt them early. If they don't establish the run and just go for the big plays then it could put the D and put them in a bad situation. TCU is going to try and control the clock as much as possible. BYU establishing the run helps the D just as much it will help the offense.

Hot Lunch · 10-15-2008, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by jay santos

He's not better than Beck 2006 yet. He's better than all previous versions of Beck.

I would take Hall right now over Beck of 2006. That is just my opinion.

Goatnapper'96 · 10-15-2008, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Hot Lunch

I think BYU has to come out and establish a run game. There is no doubt in my mind that BYU can run against these guys. BYU didn't do that against New Mexico an IMO it hurt them early. If they don't establish the run and just go for the big plays then it could put the D and put them in a bad situation. TCU is going to try and control the clock as much as possible. BYU establishing the run helps the D just as much it will help the offense.

I agree with this. I hear and read about Austin Collie saying the offense has to start fast and I think that is part of the issue with the lethargic play the last few weeks. BYU's bread and butter is execution and methodically crushing the opposing defense. This is going to be a fun game.

TheAzzuri · 10-15-2008, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by smokymountainrain

Hall is a better QB than Beck. We can talk arm strength, accuracy, whatever - the fact is, Hall is just a better QB.

If this game comes down to BYU's QB play, BYU will win.

I think the 2006 Beck is/was better. I don't have the numbers in front of me, but the TCU game was the best of Beck's career and is better than anything that Hall has turned out. A couple of those passes were just unreal. I was walking around the concourse and was standing above the endzones for both the TD to Harline and the TD to Reed.

This is not a knock on Hall, who has been awesome. I just think he'll have step it up a notch.
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10-15-2008, 08:14 PM	#1
Goatnapper'96 Recruiting Coordinator/Bosom Inspector Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 3,412	What beat TCU in 2006 was John Beck's accuracy Many of those pass completions in the 2006 breakout game were made with so little room for error. The preponderance of Beck's receivers were rarely open by normal standards but John was just dialed in that day. He only needed a little room and the ball was delivered there. This TCU defense can defend. Perhaps they are softer against the pass than the rush but this is an interesting matchup. I don't think Max Hall is quite as accurate as Beck was. However, Max is one hell of a competitor and he tends to kick it up a notch when the stage is biggest. I thought he had his best game of the year last year against TCU when the circumstances were similar in that BYU had been a bit sluggish offensively for a few weeks and while the TCU situation was different they were supposedly putting it all together finally as they came up against BYU. So I am torn as I try to figure out what is going to happen in this game. Will BYU be the first team to be able to mount any rushing attack against TCU? Can Max Hall be that accurate? Is the pressure going to make BYU blink or will Hall dial it up and notch and demonstrate why he is such a competitive lil SOB? This is fun. BYU hasn't had a fun game buildup in weeks. I do believe one thing in that if both teams play to their potential, BYU will win. I really believe when at their best, the BYU squad is better. Usually the better team wins. I believe if BYU scores 21 or more points they will win. __________________ She had a psychiatrist who said because I didn't trust the water system, the school system, the government, I was paranoid," he said. "I had a psychiatrist who said her psychiatrist was stupid."

10-15-2008, 09:55 PM	#3
The_Tick Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 626	HL, If you are planning the attack for BYU for this game what do you do? Do you try to establish the run to show TCU that you aren't going to back down? Or do you establish the pass and shot TCU that you are going to dictate your offense and not allow their defense to set the tone... __________________ Spooooooon

10-15-2008, 09:00 PM	#2
Hot Lunch Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Somewhere in Utah Posts: 434	Beck was money that game and it really was the game that he made that jump to a really good qb. One thing that I think plays in the favor of BYU is that for a short week their offense is much more difficult to prepare for than than the TCU offense. Being cut short a couple of days of practice will IMO benefit Max and the BYU offense because they do have a lot of weapons to work with and game plan for.

10-15-2008, 10:02 PM	#4
jay santos Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 6,177	I think Hall's accuracy is as good as Beck's. The main diff I see is the arm strength. Hall tries to thread the needle and he'll get picks against a fast D.

10-15-2008, 10:04 PM	#5
smokymountainrain Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Eastern Salt Lake County Posts: 544	Hall is a better QB than Beck. We can talk arm strength, accuracy, whatever - the fact is, Hall is just a better QB. If this game comes down to BYU's QB play, BYU will win.