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05-12-2014, 09:24 PM | #1 |
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Church Growth
It seems the LDS Church is missing the boat on a number of key issues.
First, Church growth has slowed significantly for us, but not for other churches such as the Seventh Day Adventists, who have seen their growth increase dramatically surpassing the LDS. It now claims 17 MM in adherents adding more than 1 MM per year. LDS are plodding along at 300 K for many decades. The growth simply isn't there. Second, it took us decades to correct the wrongful approach to race. It was only recently the Church admitted BY got it wrong. Third, we are now working with a hand tied by behind our backs, by denying women the priesthood, one that Joseph Smith was intent on sharing. Once again, we have Brigham Young to blame. He put the kabash on that sharing. It only took us more than a century to reverse his racist policy and now much longer to reverse his misogynistic policy against women. I for one don't expend a large bureaucracy to get it right first. Organizations just don't do that. But to be frequently wrong and to stand by your error repeatedly? What gives?
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05-12-2014, 09:42 PM | #2 |
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I would like to hear some good news. BYU sports doomed.
Church treading water. My own ward shrinking as people move away and no one moves in. Every baptism being some variation of an outcast or a weirdo. Whatever happened to baptisms of middle class families? GIVE ME SOME GOOD NEWS!!!! WE NEED A SHOT IN THE ARM!!! |
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But here is a link to showing we've been failing for at least a decade in comparison to the Seventh Day Adventists and the JWs. http://www.cumorah.com/index.php?tar...t&chapter_id=6 http://www.adventiststatistics.org/
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05-13-2014, 04:12 PM | #4 |
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It seems to me that JWs and 7thDays have much less visibility in American culture.
One reason may be that they don't have major college sports? HINT-HINT!!!! Among my circle of acquaintances I can't name a single JW or SDA. I do see a few JW meeting buildings in town, so they have that visibility. I do have a warm place in my heart for SDAs. I think it is a good religion. I am not as keen on the JW religion. I spoke to both SDAs and JWs on my mission and that's how I form my opinion. As to our growth stagnation, I'm not sure it has a lot to do with the church or its members, but more to do with changes outside the church. The demographic that our church appealed to has shrunk. Whatever that was. We primarily offer the promise of an ecstatic experience. And we have no control over whether that happens for someone. So let's not place all the blame on ourselves. I don't meet people that are searching for religion. |
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05-18-2014, 12:33 PM | #6 |
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Thank you for reminding me that the university of Utah sports programs are in the toilet. I feel better now.
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05-19-2014, 04:45 AM | #7 |
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Yesterday was the 60th anniversary of Brown v. Board of Education and the 10th anniversary of the first same sex marriage in the United States (Mass). Were either of these milestones observed in your church sermons today?
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07-18-2014, 03:00 AM | #8 |
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Mike:
I've seen reports that Utah has very high rates of depression / mental illness. People love to float the argument that the Church causes mental illness. I don't buy it. I favor the hypothesis that a high number of mentally ill people converted over the last 180 years, acting as a form of artificial selection within the Mormon gene pool. What is your opinion? |
07-18-2014, 10:06 PM | #9 | |
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07-18-2014, 10:15 PM | #10 | |
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I disagree. Church is not to blame in my opinion. On my mission, a large number of our concerts were mentally ill. I imagine it has been that way for generations. Mike might be able to comment more on the genetics of mental illness. |
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