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Coach McGuirk · 09-21-2008, 10:56 PM

Thinking any non-BCS has the slightest of chance at the BCS Championship Game.

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What we learned from the Independents and non-BCS, Week 4

September 21, 2008 4:40 PM

Posted by ESPN.com's Graham Watson

1. BYU is the non-BCS' best hope: No, not for a BCS bid, there are a still five other teams with undefeated records, but the Cougars might be the non-BCS' best hope for a national championship bid. I know, I know, it's only the fifth weekend of the season. Trust me, I've said the same thing a gazillion times to BYU fans. But you can't deny that there's something special in this team. After its controversial win against Washington, the Cougars have gone on to outscore their opponents 103-0. That's dominant no matter whom the Cougars are playing. The Cougars have their highest national ranking since 2001, and if things continue to go the way they're going, they'll be in the Top 8 by the time they meet Utah in November.

MikeWaters · 09-21-2008, 10:58 PM

I wonder what the computer models will look like in terms of bCS forumula if we get to #2 in the polls.

BarbaraGordon · 09-22-2008, 04:20 AM

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Originally Posted by MikeWaters

I wonder what the computer models will look like in terms of bCS forumula if we get to #2 in the polls.

Forget the BCS formula. The BCS has been so watered down over the years that it now, effectively, comes down to only one input: the human voters. The voters determine the two teams in the title game, and the voters are not going to put a non-BCS team in the game, because the voters are coaches and it's not in the best interest of most of the coaches for that to happen. If you guys head in to "championship Saturday" in number two of the BCS, you guys will have a bye (you don't play a conference championship, I think), and somehow they'll find a way to knock you down to 3 or lower after the dust settles Saturday evening. It ain't fair, but it is what it is.

MikeWaters · 09-22-2008, 04:24 AM

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Originally Posted by BarbaraGordon

Forget the BCS formula. The BCS has been so watered down over the years that it now, effectively, comes down to only one input: the human voters. The voters determine the two teams in the title game, and the voters are not going to put a non-BCS team in the game, because the voters are coaches and it's not in the best interest of most of the coaches for that to happen. If you guys head in to "championship Saturday" in number two of the BCS, you guys will have a bye (you don't play a conference championship, I think), and somehow they'll find a way to knock you down to 3 or lower after the dust settles Saturday evening. It ain't fair, but it is what it is.

I'm not kidding. Some of us believe that there is a HAND more powerful than any voter.

As national champs once, so shall we be again one day.

BarbaraGordon · 09-22-2008, 04:35 AM

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Originally Posted by MikeWaters

I'm not kidding. Some of us believe that there is a HAND more powerful than any voter.

Well, you and Jewel can sing about hands all you want, but so long as this formula is in place there ain't going to be no potential giant-slayer in the national title game. Fiesta Bowl, sure. Rose Bowl, mayyybe. Title game? no way in hell. That's a no-win for everybody involved.

MikeWaters · 09-22-2008, 04:46 AM

all the better. put two 2-loss teams in the NC game, and undefeated BYU in a BCS game.

That's why it's not a NC. It's a MNC. = mythical national championship.

There is no such thing as a NC in college football.

il Padrino Ute · 09-22-2008, 04:54 AM

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Originally Posted by MikeWaters

There is no such thing as a NC in college football.

So why post this?

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Originally Posted by MikeWaters

As national champs once, so shall we be again one day.

Your words.

BoylenOver · 09-22-2008, 04:56 AM

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Originally Posted by MikeWaters

That's why it's not a NC. It's a MNC. = mythical national championship.

That's what we've been trying to say for the last 24 years!

BarbaraGordon · 09-22-2008, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeWaters

all the better. put two 2-loss teams in the NC game, and undefeated BYU in a BCS game.

See, now that's what I was thinking. This is the way better approach. You guys could pick up the AP title, historically the one that "counts," and simultaneously be the real BCS "busters," as in, the ones that take down the whole system.

ERCougar · 09-21-2008, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach McGuirk

Thinking any non-BCS has the slightest of chance at the BCS Championship Game.

I agree that the chance is miniscule, but I don't think it's zero, and the only reason it's not zero is that there are people talking about it. This is the second national commentator I've seen mention it (neither of whom with Utah ties). The more it's mentioned, the less crazy it becomes until by the end of the year, there's a small contingent talking about it. Other teams would have to really cooperate, but I don't think the chance is zero.

It reminds of 84 when that first voter gave us a #1 vote. I don't know who it was, I don't even think we were in the top ten at the time, and it generated some talk that someone thought we deserved a #1 vote. Pretty soon, we got more and more talk and we ended up there.

09-21-2008, 10:58 PM	#2
MikeWaters Demiurge Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 36,365	I wonder what the computer models will look like in terms of bCS forumula if we get to #2 in the polls.

09-22-2008, 04:46 AM	#6
MikeWaters Demiurge Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 36,365	all the better. put two 2-loss teams in the NC game, and undefeated BYU in a BCS game. That's why it's not a NC. It's a MNC. = mythical national championship. There is no such thing as a NC in college football.