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Goatnapper'96 · 02-21-2008, 02:55 PM

that BYU might actually win one in the dance. The mixture of defense, good outside shooters and BYU's ability inside has me believing more than before. Since the midseason slump and UNLV debacle I figured that BYU's backcourt would be so athletically manhandled that come tournie time the Y would turn the ball over 20 times and lose. With the emergence of Jimmer at PG and the genuine ability to compete on the defensive end I actually think there is a really good shot BYU could finally get that win.

Further, props goes to Dave Rose for what he has done with Jonathon Tavernari. JT is now an asset out there in multiple ways. Offensively he is becoming a complete player with the ability to pass the ball and involve others in his game. He is competing on defense and using his physical strength to rebound. He will never be able to guard perimeter players as he lacks the quickness, but as a shorter 4 he is OK because of his bulk and physical strength.

Next two games will really be the indicator of where BYU is. UNM is playing very, very well right now. In fact they might be playing better than BYU. I do not forsee a win in the Pit and to be honest they are the team I least want to face in the MWC tourney. SDSU has slipped a bit but beating them in San Diego will still be tough but I think BYU will win on Saturday.

I think it is time to start thinking about seeding for BYU at the tourney. If BYU wins out I think they will be a 5 or 6 seed. If the Y only loses one more game this year and it is not the 1st round of the MWC tourney, I see them coming in at 7 or 8. If they lose two more games I think they will be a 9 or 10. If they lose 3 they are a bubble team and will get a 12 seed.

Indy Coug · 02-21-2008, 02:58 PM

Regarding outside shooting, only Lee Cummard is shooting over 40% from 3 point range.

Goatnapper'96 · 02-21-2008, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Indy Coug

Regarding outside shooting, only Lee Cummard is shooting over 40% from 3 point range.

But Burgess or Tavernari can both get very hot from downtown on any given night.

The real key, however, is how hard they compete on the defensive end.

MikeWaters · 02-21-2008, 02:58 PM

I don't know why Burgess and Murdock even see the court.

Spaz · 02-21-2008, 03:09 PM

Personally, I think Murdock sees the court because he's got nearly a 3 Assist-to-turnover ratio...he's in the top 20 in the country in that regard.

Goatnapper'96 · 02-21-2008, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Spaz

Personally, I think Murdock sees the court because he's got nearly a 3 Assist-to-turnover ratio...he's in the top 20 in the country in that regard.

He is steady, but it would not surprise me if in crunch time in the NCAA game Fredette is on the court. Murdock will continue to start but by then I can see Jimmer playing almost half the game at PG.

Spaz · 02-21-2008, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Goatnapper'96

He is steady, but it would not surprise me if in crunch time in the NCAA game Fredette is on the court. Murdock will continue to start but by then I can see Jimmer playing almost half the game at PG.

Fredette certainly has more upside as a PG than Murdock. He brings dribble penetration to the table, something Murdock is certainly sub-par at. He also brings a much better shot to the table. The problem is, he's going to turn the ball over too often for my tastes this year.

Still, with this particular team, you don't NEED a PG who scores. You've got your top 3 scorers, who are going to give you 15+ each a night. You only need another 20 points from everyone else combined to win most nights. I'd MUCH rather the PG be a guy that can get the ball to the shooters an extra 3-4 times a game than a guy who can score, but we lose that many shots per game due to turnovers.

MikeWaters · 02-21-2008, 03:42 PM

I'm not convinced that Murdock - Burgess - Jimmer is a backcourt that can put up a W in the Dance.

Goatnapper'96 · 02-21-2008, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeWaters

I'm not convinced that Murdock - Burgess - Jimmer is a backcourt that can put up a W in the Dance.

You will be convinced you stringpulling girly man. That is all I got to say about that...in this post at least

MikeWaters · 02-21-2008, 03:48 PM

Watching Murdock and Burgess put the ball on the floor and enter the 3 point line and paint is most often comical. Murdock realizes he has no game inside the 3 point line (and outside as well), w hereas Burgess thinks he does, despite his 10% finishing percentage.

How hard is to put the ball on the floor, crossover at the free throw line, and shoot a 12 foot jumper?

02-21-2008, 02:55 PM	#1
Goatnapper'96 Recruiting Coordinator/Bosom Inspector Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 3,412	I am beginning to believe that BYU might actually win one in the dance. The mixture of defense, good outside shooters and BYU's ability inside has me believing more than before. Since the midseason slump and UNLV debacle I figured that BYU's backcourt would be so athletically manhandled that come tournie time the Y would turn the ball over 20 times and lose. With the emergence of Jimmer at PG and the genuine ability to compete on the defensive end I actually think there is a really good shot BYU could finally get that win. Further, props goes to Dave Rose for what he has done with Jonathon Tavernari. JT is now an asset out there in multiple ways. Offensively he is becoming a complete player with the ability to pass the ball and involve others in his game. He is competing on defense and using his physical strength to rebound. He will never be able to guard perimeter players as he lacks the quickness, but as a shorter 4 he is OK because of his bulk and physical strength. Next two games will really be the indicator of where BYU is. UNM is playing very, very well right now. In fact they might be playing better than BYU. I do not forsee a win in the Pit and to be honest they are the team I least want to face in the MWC tourney. SDSU has slipped a bit but beating them in San Diego will still be tough but I think BYU will win on Saturday. I think it is time to start thinking about seeding for BYU at the tourney. If BYU wins out I think they will be a 5 or 6 seed. If the Y only loses one more game this year and it is not the 1st round of the MWC tourney, I see them coming in at 7 or 8. If they lose two more games I think they will be a 9 or 10. If they lose 3 they are a bubble team and will get a 12 seed. __________________ She had a psychiatrist who said because I didn't trust the water system, the school system, the government, I was paranoid," he said. "I had a psychiatrist who said her psychiatrist was stupid."

02-21-2008, 02:58 PM	#2
Indy Coug Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Between Iraq and a hard place Posts: 7,569	Regarding outside shooting, only Lee Cummard is shooting over 40% from 3 point range.

02-21-2008, 02:58 PM	#4
MikeWaters Demiurge Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 36,365	I don't know why Burgess and Murdock even see the court.

02-21-2008, 03:09 PM	#5
Spaz Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 1,371	Personally, I think Murdock sees the court because he's got nearly a 3 Assist-to-turnover ratio...he's in the top 20 in the country in that regard.

02-21-2008, 03:42 PM	#8
MikeWaters Demiurge Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 36,365	I'm not convinced that Murdock - Burgess - Jimmer is a backcourt that can put up a W in the Dance.

02-21-2008, 03:48 PM	#10
MikeWaters Demiurge Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 36,365	Watching Murdock and Burgess put the ball on the floor and enter the 3 point line and paint is most often comical. Murdock realizes he has no game inside the 3 point line (and outside as well), w hereas Burgess thinks he does, despite his 10% finishing percentage. How hard is to put the ball on the floor, crossover at the free throw line, and shoot a 12 foot jumper?