HB Arnett really down about this recruiting class - cougarguard.com — unofficial BYU Cougars / LDS sports, football, basketball forum and message board

MikeWaters · 02-18-2008, 12:42 AM

He says Mendenhall pulled an O-fer when it came to the best LDS athletes available:

Kavienga
Kevin Prince
Hamani Stevens
Max Tuiti-Mariner
Simi Kuli
Lyn Katoa
David Kruger

He says you have a problem when your star in your class is a kicker and then your coach says he doesn't have to worry about stars because he has 22 wins in the last two seasons. But he doesn't mention that he is 3-6 against BCS.

BYU is 12-20 against BCS teams, most of which are not even the better ones in their leagues.

Coach McGuirk · 02-18-2008, 02:09 AM

Same guy that used to talk about how great Crowtons classes were, right? I will take the results of Bronco and HB bitching about it, over 5-6 seasons and HB loving our recruiting.

Now I can see the comeback to this being Bronco winning with Crowton's recruits but Bronco's recruits are already big contributers on the team.

MikeWaters · 02-18-2008, 02:35 AM

HB is one of those fans who wants BYU to play with the big boys. Clearly Mendenhall does not want to tangle with the big boys. I don't blame BM. He has to worry about his paycheck.

jay santos · 02-18-2008, 02:42 AM

"I don't care if Bronco's recruiting classes suck because he wins games."

This is one of the dumbest things I've heard from a large number of BYU fans in a long time.

Either recruiting's important or it's not. Obviously it is. No college fan would disagree.

Either this class is good or it's not. I'm convinced it's 1) marginally worse but not ridiculously worse than it's been the last five years but more importantly 2) it's not nearly as good as it COULD have been considering the huge amount of LDS talent we missed on.

Not only did we lose a ton of recruits to BCS schools, but arguably Utah had as good as year we did with the top 15 or so LDS recruits. We got a few, they got a few.

MikeWaters · 02-18-2008, 02:47 AM

To be fair, I think what pisses HB off is that Bronco says he doesn't care that he missed the top recruits.

il Padrino Ute · 02-18-2008, 02:50 AM

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Originally Posted by MikeWaters

To be fair, I think what pisses HB off is that Bronco says he doesn't care that he missed the top recruits.

Why worry about kids that didn't sign?

MikeWaters · 02-18-2008, 03:01 AM

I think it is the natural order of things for there to be fans who are completely satisfied, and for there to be fans who are pushing for a higher level, and are not satisfied.

What I tend not to like is when the first group of fans doesn't want the second group of fans to exist.

il Padrino Ute · 02-18-2008, 03:18 AM

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Originally Posted by MikeWaters

I think it is the natural order of things for there to be fans who are completely satisfied, and for there to be fans who are pushing for a higher level, and are not satisfied.

What I tend not to like is when the first group of fans doesn't want the second group of fans to exist.

Understood.

I don't have a problem when fans want bigger and better things to happen. I'm just one that doesn't worry about kids who don't sign with Utah, because if they wanted to play for the Utes, they would.

Taq Man · 02-18-2008, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by il Padrino Ute

Understood.

I don't have a problem when fans want bigger and better things to happen. I'm just one that doesn't worry about kids who don't sign with Utah, because if they wanted to play for the Utes, they would.

Thats the problem though. Why can't the coaching staff sell these recruits on the school so they want to come. Utah I can understand, but BYU should have a huge leg up in getting the LDS recruits. It is troubling that BM can't seal the deal.

Indy Coug · 02-18-2008, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Taq Man

Thats the problem though. Why can't the coaching staff sell these recruits on the school so they want to come. Utah I can understand, but BYU should have a huge leg up in getting the LDS recruits. It is troubling that BM can't seal the deal.

Why should we expect that BYU should be the default choice for top-notch LDS athletes? Face it, if we're going head-to-head against USC, it's no contest if all that recruit is interested in is how good the football program is.

02-18-2008, 12:42 AM	#1
MikeWaters Demiurge Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 36,365	HB Arnett really down about this recruiting class He says Mendenhall pulled an O-fer when it came to the best LDS athletes available: Kavienga Kevin Prince Hamani Stevens Max Tuiti-Mariner Simi Kuli Lyn Katoa David Kruger He says you have a problem when your star in your class is a kicker and then your coach says he doesn't have to worry about stars because he has 22 wins in the last two seasons. But he doesn't mention that he is 3-6 against BCS. BYU is 12-20 against BCS teams, most of which are not even the better ones in their leagues.

02-18-2008, 02:09 AM	#2
Coach McGuirk Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: The Bubble Posts: 606	Same guy that used to talk about how great Crowtons classes were, right? I will take the results of Bronco and HB bitching about it, over 5-6 seasons and HB loving our recruiting. Now I can see the comeback to this being Bronco winning with Crowton's recruits but Bronco's recruits are already big contributers on the team. __________________ "Hey! It's all ball bearings nowadays. Now you prepare that Fetzer valve with some 3-in-1 oil and some gauze pads. And I'm gonna need 'bout ten quarts of anti-freeze, preferably Prestone. No, no make that Quaker State. "

02-18-2008, 02:35 AM	#3
MikeWaters Demiurge Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 36,365	HB is one of those fans who wants BYU to play with the big boys. Clearly Mendenhall does not want to tangle with the big boys. I don't blame BM. He has to worry about his paycheck.

02-18-2008, 02:42 AM	#4
jay santos Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 6,177	"I don't care if Bronco's recruiting classes suck because he wins games." This is one of the dumbest things I've heard from a large number of BYU fans in a long time. Either recruiting's important or it's not. Obviously it is. No college fan would disagree. Either this class is good or it's not. I'm convinced it's 1) marginally worse but not ridiculously worse than it's been the last five years but more importantly 2) it's not nearly as good as it COULD have been considering the huge amount of LDS talent we missed on. Not only did we lose a ton of recruits to BCS schools, but arguably Utah had as good as year we did with the top 15 or so LDS recruits. We got a few, they got a few.

02-18-2008, 02:47 AM	#5
MikeWaters Demiurge Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 36,365	To be fair, I think what pisses HB off is that Bronco says he doesn't care that he missed the top recruits.

02-18-2008, 03:01 AM	#7
MikeWaters Demiurge Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 36,365	I think it is the natural order of things for there to be fans who are completely satisfied, and for there to be fans who are pushing for a higher level, and are not satisfied. What I tend not to like is when the first group of fans doesn't want the second group of fans to exist.