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Old 12-22-2007, 05:16 PM   #1
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Default Delbert L. Stapley Letter

Any of you see this yet?

http://www.boston.com/news/daily/24/delbert_stapley.pdf

It's a letter from Apostle Stapley to George Romney in 1964. The note on the letter indicates that Romney answered with a hand-written letter. It sure would be interesting to read his response.

The letter is horrendous. And the most shocking part is the threat to Romney implying that God strikes down those that help the "negroes" with a quick, seemingly accidental death, including his friend who had the audacity to ask DOM if the priesthood could be extended to the blacks. If this represents the sentiment among the apostles in 1964, it is no small wonder that it took another 14 years for the change to be made.
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Old 12-22-2007, 05:19 PM   #2
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Any of you see this yet?

http://www.boston.com/news/daily/24/delbert_stapley.pdf

It's a letter from Apostle Stapley to George Romney in 1964. The note on the letter indicates that Romney answered with a hand-written letter. It sure would be interesting to read his response.

The letter is horrendous. And the most shocking part is the threat to Romney implying that God strikes down those that help the "negroes" with a quick, seemingly accidental death, including his friend who had the audacity to ask DOM if the priesthood could be extended to the blacks. If this represents the sentiment among the apostles in 1964, it is no small wonder that it took another 14 years for the change to be made.
I've seen it. It made the rounds right after Romney announced his candidacy. People who think that Church leaders don't ever hold erroneous opinions might be shaken up by that letter.
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Old 12-24-2007, 03:49 PM   #3
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I've seen it. It made the rounds right after Romney announced his candidacy. People who think that Church leaders don't ever hold erroneous opinions might be shaken up by that letter.
would be above that regardless of what their personal beliefs are. This is a bit disturbing.
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Old 12-24-2007, 03:56 PM   #4
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would be above that regardless of what their personal beliefs are. This is a bit disturbing.

Are you with me and find it more disturbing than Hall's F bomb or the scandals under Crowton.

Have the Hall bomb and the BYU football scandals printed in the NYTimes and then have the words of the Apostle in the NYTimes.

Which do you think non-members would find more troubling.
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Old 12-26-2007, 05:46 AM   #5
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Are you with me and find it more disturbing than Hall's F bomb or the scandals under Crowton.

Have the Hall bomb and the BYU football scandals printed in the NYTimes and then have the words of the Apostle in the NYTimes.

Which do you think non-members would find more troubling.
Keep in mind during the DOM presidency, there was a strong push to get the Church to announce public support for the John Birch society. Thank goodness, DOM knew better. He WAS inspired but he had lots of people around him that kept the pressure on for the status quo re: blacks and the priesthood.
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Delpert L Stapley had no problem with the revelation on the priesthood. Mark E Peterson is reported to of said some stuff too but he was grateful for the revelation. Those two apostles were out of town when revelation was given. Stapley in hospital died 6 weeks later and Peterson in South America.

BRM said strong things too but confered with SWK and was privy to that revelation and told about it. Was the most grateful for it. Many thought it would never happen. SWK said want the will no pressure put it to rest. And it was time for everyone to get priesthood.
thanks for clearing that up grape. hey do you know any black people?
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Any of you see this yet?

http://www.boston.com/news/daily/24/delbert_stapley.pdf

It's a letter from Apostle Stapley to George Romney in 1964. The note on the letter indicates that Romney answered with a hand-written letter. It sure would be interesting to read his response.

The letter is horrendous. And the most shocking part is the threat to Romney implying that God strikes down those that help the "negroes" with a quick, seemingly accidental death, including his friend who had the audacity to ask DOM if the priesthood could be extended to the blacks. If this represents the sentiment among the apostles in 1964, it is no small wonder that it took another 14 years for the change to be made.
Folks, can it be any more obvious why it took until 1978? By the way I love that line at the end "now, don't think I am against the negro for I have several in my employ..."

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That adds a little context to the heat Romney is taking for so enthusiastically embracing the religion of his fathers.

Honestly, how can people read stuff like that and still insist that apostles and prophets speak for God? It baffles me.
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That adds a little context to the heat Romney is taking for so enthusiastically embracing the religion of his fathers.

Honestly, how can people read stuff like that and still insist that apostles and prophets speak for God? It baffles me.
Because some of us aren't naive enough to believe God doesn't allow even his leaders to make mistakes and to hold erroneous beliefs. That really is as simpleton as believing in the inerrancy of the Bible.
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Well, if I flippantly said that Romney was like unto someone who says they treat their slaves well, what is this guy like? Yikes.

This is unabashed racism, rationalized and justified by the sins of those that preceeded him.

It does tend to go agains tthe theory that the apostles were deserately hoping for a revelation that would bring blacks into full fellowship. I don't think this was on his wishlist at all.
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