The reason I am so depressed about BYU - cougarguard.com — unofficial BYU Cougars / LDS sports, football, basketball forum and message board

MikeWaters · 10-23-2007, 02:08 AM

has little to do with BYU.

I'm depressed because the conference SUCKS, IS GETTING WORSE, AND WILL ALWAYS SUCK.

Man is it depressing.

Not only are the games not on TV, but the sad truth is that I DON'T WANT TO WATCH THEM ANYWAY. I don't care about any team in the conference, and neither does anyone else that aren't alumni.

We can win out the season and not even know if we are a good team!!!!!!

It's a good thing I am not in charge of things. I would leave the conference, and announce it in the post-game press conference after Utah.

SteelBlue · 10-23-2007, 02:13 AM

Mike, the weird thing is that it seems you're just figuring this out. I've known this since the 80's.

TripletDaddy · 10-23-2007, 03:08 AM

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Originally Posted by SteelBlue

Mike, the weird thing is that it seems you're just figuring this out. I've known this since the 80's.

This is what I don't understand. Where the heck has mike been all this time? Even in the year we won a national championship, everyone made fun of the team because we played such a lousy schedule.

Also, if we were to "leave" the conference, where would we go?

Stop being frustrated that BYU plays a crappy schedule. Just be glad that we enjoy a level of dominance amongst piss poor competition. The second we get an invite to join a BCS conference, we will. Until then, you should be more frustrated that A&M plays in a better, respected conference but usually underachieves.

Indy Coug · 10-23-2007, 03:09 AM

Mwc 2007 > Wac 1984

jay santos · 10-23-2007, 03:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Indy Coug

Mwc 2007 > Wac 1984

Harmon has forced this down our throats for so long I think we accept it without question. I'm not so sure.

1984 Massey computer model

6 BYU
29 UNLV
34 AFA
50 TCU
62 Hawaii
69 Utah
76 UTEP
82 SDSU
84 New Mexico
89 Wyoming
95 CSU

2007 avg computer ranking

37 BYU
46 AFA
52 New Mexico
53 Utah
61 Wyoming
69 TCU
95 SDSU
102 CSU
103 UNLV

Indy Coug · 10-23-2007, 03:23 AM

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Originally Posted by jay santos

Harmon has forced this down our throats for so long I think we accept it without question. I'm not so sure.

1984 Massey computer model

6 BYU
29 UNLV
34 AFA
50 TCU
62 Hawaii
69 Utah
76 UTEP
82 SDSU
84 New Mexico
89 Wyoming
95 CSU

2007 avg computer ranking

37 BYU
46 AFA
52 New Mexico
53 Utah
61 Wyoming
69 TCU
95 SDSU
102 CSU
103 UNLV

UNLV and TCU weren't in the WAC in 1984. Furthermore, there were fewer teams in 1-A in 1984 than today.

UTEP was 76th in 1984? They went 2-9 and allowed more than twice as many points as they scored.

http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/data....php?year=1980

jay santos · 10-23-2007, 03:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Indy Coug

UNLV and TCU weren't in the WAC in 1984. Furthermore, there were fewer teams in 1-A in 1984 than today.

UTEP was 76th in 1984? They went 2-9 and allowed more than twice as many points as they scored.

http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/data....php?year=1980

Yes I'm aware who was in the WAC in '84. I put them in there for informational purposes. I believe there were 102 teams in D1A in 1984 compared to 120 today, but I could be wrong. If you're doing an analysis with hard data, I'd guess you could probably show that 80's WAC was weaker than MWC today, but I doubt it would be as significant as Harmon/Crowton/that whole apologist gang would tell you.

Indy Coug · 10-23-2007, 03:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jay santos

Yes I'm aware who was in the WAC in '84. I put them in there for informational purposes. I believe there were 102 teams in D1A in 1984 compared to 120 today, but I could be wrong. If you're doing an analysis with hard data, I'd guess you could probably show that 80's WAC was weaker than MWC today, but I doubt it would be as significant as Harmon/Crowton/that whole apologist gang would tell you.

If Massey ranked UTEP 76th in 1984, I honestly have to wonder about his rankings.

jay santos · 10-23-2007, 03:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Indy Coug

If Massey ranked UTEP 76th in 1984, I honestly have to wonder about his rankings.

I think they're Massey but he only has back to 1990 on his web page. I downloaded these into an Access database years ago.

1 Florida
2 Boston College
3 Washington
4 Maryland
5 Nebraska
6 Brigham Young
7 Virginia
8 Auburn
8 Rutgers
10 Southern Methodist
11 Oklahoma State
12 Oklahoma
13 West Virginia
14 Kentucky
15 Southern Cal
16 Tennessee
17 Syracuse
18 South Carolina
19 Army
20 UCLA
21 Florida State
22 Louisiana State
23 Clemson
24 Georgia
25 Georgia Tech
26 Ohio State
27 Miami
28 Notre Dame
29 Nevada - Las Vegas
30 Temple
31 Iowa
32 Penn State
33 Arizona
34 Air Force
35 Alabama
36 Arkansas
37 North Carolina
38 Virginia Tech
39 Washington State
40 Wisconsin
41 Cincinnati
42 Illinois
43 Houston
44 Texas
45 Louisville
45 Rice
47 Purdue
48 Michigan
49 Pittsburgh
50 Texas Christian
51 Oregon State
52 Vanderbilt
53 Navy
54 Wake Forest
55 Baylor
56 Southwestern Louisia
57 Utah State
57 East Carolina
59 Stanford
60 Arizona State
61 Michigan State
62 Hawaii
63 Texas A&M
64 Oregon
65 Kansas
66 New Mexico State
67 Memphis State
68 Mississippi
69 Utah
70 Iowa State
71 Bowling Green
72 San Jose State
73 Tulane
74 Toledo
75 Mississippi State
76 Texas-El Paso
77 Missouri
78 Central Michigan
79 Minnesota
80 North Carolina State
81 Tulsa
82 San Diego State
83 Duke
84 New Mexico
85 Kansas State
86 Texas Tech
87 Kent
88 Southern Mississippi
89 Wyoming
90 Fresno State
91 Miami, Ohio
92 Northwestern
93 Eastern Michigan
94 California
95 Colorado State
96 Ohio
97 Colorado
98 Western Michigan
99 Pacific
100 Ball State
101 Indiana

MikeWaters · 10-23-2007, 03:42 AM

If you all don't think there is a difference between the the millieu of the 1980s and now, then you probably forgot that in 1984 BYU won the so-called NC.

That tells you all you need to know.

10-23-2007, 02:08 AM	#1
MikeWaters Demiurge Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 36,365	The reason I am so depressed about BYU has little to do with BYU. I'm depressed because the conference SUCKS, IS GETTING WORSE, AND WILL ALWAYS SUCK. Man is it depressing. Not only are the games not on TV, but the sad truth is that I DON'T WANT TO WATCH THEM ANYWAY. I don't care about any team in the conference, and neither does anyone else that aren't alumni. We can win out the season and not even know if we are a good team!!!!!! It's a good thing I am not in charge of things. I would leave the conference, and announce it in the post-game press conference after Utah.

10-23-2007, 02:13 AM	#2
SteelBlue Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Norcal Posts: 5,821	Mike, the weird thing is that it seems you're just figuring this out. I've known this since the 80's.

10-23-2007, 03:09 AM	#4
Indy Coug Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Between Iraq and a hard place Posts: 7,569	Mwc 2007 > Wac 1984

10-23-2007, 03:42 AM	#10
MikeWaters Demiurge Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 36,365	If you all don't think there is a difference between the the millieu of the 1980s and now, then you probably forgot that in 1984 BYU won the so-called NC. That tells you all you need to know.