In the Future, Mormons should not campaign

[Archaea]

at least nationally for the social conservative vote, but should develop expertise on different issues and abandon the 'convert through politics and legislation approach'.

Romney's humiliation will hopefully teach LDS to abandon the social conservatives and to join the libertarians.

[BlueK]

Originally Posted by Archaea

at least nationally for the social conservative vote, but should develop expertise on different issues and abandon the 'convert through politics and legislation approach'.

Romney's humiliation will hopefully teach LDS to abandon the social conservatives and to join the libertarians.

Probably what I'm going to say would fit better in the religion category, but I think Joseph Smith's view is probably more libertarian than what LDS thinking has since morphed into. Do we really believe in teach them correct principles and let them govern themselves anymore? Not really in practice, IMO. We're into rules and policies and more rules.

[SeattleUte]

This reminds me a little bit of my experience as a youngster in Brazil at a private school. The teacher's protestant prayer before lunch and milk and cookies used to make my blood run cold (I was a kindergartner). I sensed then that Mormons were in many ways on the outside looking in. The irony is that it's the civil libertarian view (not the majority rules all the time view) that is most conducive to Mormon interests, in much the same way that Jews have had a strong affinity for this world view. A Mormon like Romney who was raised outside Utah should get this though many raised there don't. To hear a Mormon like Tex (or Romney) vociferously defend Guantanamo or torture or revocation of disfavored immigrants' civil liberties given Mormonism's past is really quite revolting. It's feels like a sell out, like collaboration.

[Archaea]

Originally Posted by SeattleUte

This reminds me a little bit of my experience as a youngster in Brazil at a private school. The teacher's protestant prayer before lunch and milk and cookies used to make my blood run cold (I was a kindergartner). I sensed then that Mormons were in many ways on the outside looking in. The irony is that it's the civil libertarian view (not the majority rules all the time view) that is most conducive to Mormon interests, in much the same way that Jews have had a strong affinity for this world view. A Mormon like Romney who was raised outside Utah should get this though many raised there don't. To hear a Mormon like Tex (or Romney) vociferously defend Guantanamo or torture or revocation of disfavored immigrants' civil liberties given Mormonism's past is really quite revolting. It's feels like a sell out, like collaboration.

It seems to me, Romney paid for bad advisers. He probably paid too much, but in business if you buy bad advice, you're sunk. He shouldn't have stayed who he was, and who he was is much better than who his advisers changed him to be.

[myboynoah]

Originally Posted by SeattleUte

To hear a Mormon like Tex (or Romney) vociferously defend Guantanamo or torture or revocation of disfavored immigrants' civil liberties given Mormonism's past is really quite revolting. It's feels like a sell out, like collaboration.

Yeah, those are great analogies:

1800s Mormons = 2000s Al Qaida/Taliban terrorists
1800s Mormons = 2000s illegal immigrants

You're letting your world view get in the way.

[Tex]

Originally Posted by SeattleUte

This reminds me a little bit of my experience as a youngster in Brazil at a private school. The teacher's protestant prayer before lunch and milk and cookies used to make my blood run cold (I was a kindergartner). I sensed then that Mormons were in many ways on the outside looking in. The irony is that it's the civil libertarian view (not the majority rules all the time view) that is most conducive to Mormon interests, in much the same way that Jews have had a strong affinity for this world view. A Mormon like Romney who was raised outside Utah should get this though many raised there don't. To hear a Mormon like Tex (or Romney) vociferously defend Guantanamo or torture or revocation of disfavored immigrants' civil liberties given Mormonism's past is really quite revolting. It's feels like a sell out, like collaboration.

You're right. We should give lunch and milk and cookies to the Guantanomo prisoners, and every disfavored immigrant who wants them.

Hear hear!

[creekster]

Originally Posted by SeattleUte

This reminds me a little bit of my experience as a youngster in Brazil at a private school. The teacher's protestant prayer before lunch and milk and cookies used to make my blood run cold (I was a kindergartner). I sensed then that Mormons were in many ways on the outside looking in. The irony is that it's the civil libertarian view (not the majority rules all the time view) that is most conducive to Mormon interests, in much the same way that Jews have had a strong affinity for this world view. A Mormon like Romney who was raised outside Utah should get this though many raised there don't. To hear a Mormon like Tex (or Romney) vociferously defend Guantanamo or torture or revocation of disfavored immigrants' civil liberties given Mormonism's past is really quite revolting. It's feels like a sell out, like collaboration.

So your brain was over-chilled once a day for nine months when you were five? I had always assumed you were dropped on your head, but this makes more sense.

[malapert]

Originally Posted by SeattleUte

"...my blood run cold (I was a kindergartner).

A cold-blooded kindergartner rarely evolves into a compassionate, straight-thinking adult. There are, however, exceptions to the rule.

[Archaea]

Originally Posted by malapert

A cold-blooded kindergartner rarely evolves into a compassionate, straight-thinking adult. There are, however, exceptions to the rule.

That's a priceless image of Seattle.

[Detroitdad]

Originally Posted by SeattleUte

This reminds me a little bit of my experience as a youngster in Brazil at a private school. The teacher's protestant prayer before lunch and milk and cookies used to make my blood run cold (I was a kindergartner). I sensed then that Mormons were in many ways on the outside looking in. The irony is that it's the civil libertarian view (not the majority rules all the time view) that is most conducive to Mormon interests, in much the same way that Jews have had a strong affinity for this world view. A Mormon like Romney who was raised outside Utah should get this though many raised there don't. To hear a Mormon like Tex (or Romney) vociferously defend Guantanamo or torture or revocation of disfavored immigrants' civil liberties given Mormonism's past is really quite revolting. It's feels like a sell out, like collaboration.

Good point. Maybe this little dose of finding out what everyone thinks about us in spite of our obsession with public relations, via Romney's will make us look twice at our political affinities.

But I sense from the comments in response to this point that it will not be the case.