Ten Greatest Women in History

[Archaea]

Relatives may not be included.

My ten, okay, I may have included eleven.

Joan of Arc

Marie Curie

Florence Nightingale

Hatshepsut, female pharaoh after the Hyksos period

Rosa Parks

Mother Theresa

Catherine of Siena

Susan B. Anthony

Helen Keller

Sacagawea

Margaret Thatcher

[UtahDan]

Originally Posted by Archaea

Relatives may not be included.

My ten, okay, I may have included eleven.

Joan of Arc

Marie Curie

Florence Nightingale

Hatshepsut, female pharaoh after the Hyksos period

Rosa Parks

Mother Theresa

Catherine of Siena

Susan B. Anthony

Helen Keller

Sacagawea

Margaret Thatcher

All of them combined are probably not as influential as Oprah Winfrey. Seriously.

[Indy Coug]

Mary, mother of Jesus?

Curious omission.

[Archaea]

Originally Posted by Indy Coug

Mary, mother of Jesus?

Curious omission.

Catholic sainting veneration drives me nuts. I know it's weird liking Joan of Arc but not the Virgin Mary, but then again, Joan is just a Saint, and the VM appears more than that. That's probably why I don't view her in the same realm.

And it's probably at the root of my problem with Emma, the obsequious veneration of her by others.

[MikeWaters]

It's a decent start to rehabilitating your image.

[Indy Coug]

Originally Posted by Archaea

Catholic sainting veneration drives me nuts. I know it's weird liking Joan of Arc but not the Virgin Mary, but then again, Joan is just a Saint, and the VM appears more than that. That's probably why I don't view her in the same realm.

And it's probably at the root of my problem with Emma, the obsequious veneration of her by others.

Regardless of how carried away the Catholics got with Mary-worship, she's an obvious candidate for this list.

[Archaea]

Originally Posted by Indy Coug

Regardless of how carried away the Catholics got with Mary-worship, she's an obvious candidate for this list.

We know too little about her for me to include her in the list. If she makes your list, then so be it. I have nothing bad to say about her, in fact nothing at all, as what little is known by the Greek NT and a little in the BoM. It's next to nothing, so insufficient data from which to judge. Plus the Catholic veneration just drives me nuts.

[SeattleUte]

You missed my possibly no. 1. Because of Catherine the Great Russia is kind of a step child of Western Civilization, and one freakishly brilliant ableit deeply disturbed. Catherine singlehandedly imported the Enlighenment to Russia. Because of Catherine, Russia gave us Tolstoy and Dostoevski and Chekhov and Rimsey Korsakov and Tschaikovsky and Balenchine and so much more to uplift us spiritually, and during the cold war we knew in our heart of hearts that MAD would surely prevent a nuclear war (something we could never be sure about Iran or Al Qaeda). This contradiction drove Tolstoy and Dostoevsky crazy, that though they loved to bag on the Europeans they knew they were more European than Europeans. The Russians took the most beautiful elements of European culture and elevated them to a new level, and Catherine was the but for cause of it. I shudder to think of a world absent Catherine the Great. (I admit Catherine was a slut but I'm endeared by that too.)

[SeattleUte]

Any objective person has to dismiss Mary from such a list as a mythical figure. She is in no way a historical figure. No way. Josephus doesn't even mention her.

[Archaea]

Originally Posted by SeattleUte

You missed my possibly no. 1. Because of Catherine the Great Russia is kind of a step child of Western Civilization, and one freakishly brilliant ableit deeply disturbed. Catherine singlehandedly imported the Enlighenment to Russia. Because of Catherine, Russia gave us Tolstoy and Dostoevski and Chekhov and Rimsey Korsakov and Tschaikovsky and Balenchine and so much more to uplift us spiritually, and during the cold war we knew in our heart of hearts that MAD would surely prevent a nuclear war (something we could never be sure about Iran or Al Qaeda). This contradiction drove Tolstoy and Dostoevsky crazy, that though they loved to bag on the Europeans they knew they were more European than Europeans. The Russians took the most beautiful elements of European culture and elevated them to a new level, and Catherine was the but for cause of it. I shudder to think of a world absent Catherine the Great. (I admit Catherine was a slut but I'm endeared by that too.)

I played with Catherine the Great for her contributions to enlightenment, but she was so disturbed I kept her out of it. The slut part didn't bother me.