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myboynoah · 09-15-2008, 08:36 PM

Does it bother you that Obama has now come out with very negative ads, striking at McCain for his age and questioning his honor? I ask the obvious question: Wasn't Obama going to be different and show us all the best way? Oh his elequence in calling for a higher standard; now all for naught.

I assume you are all pragmatists and agree that 1) negative advertizing works and that 2) because of that, Obama must use old line political methods. Even then, how bothered are you?

BarbaraGordon · 09-15-2008, 08:38 PM

According to Tex all Obama supporters are disturbed.

Indy Coug · 09-15-2008, 08:38 PM

It's an illusion that either candidate really controls how their campaign is run.

exUte · 09-15-2008, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Indy Coug

It's an illusion that either candidate really controls how their campaign is run.

with politicians. "Who me? I didn't say or approve that!" Right. They allow their supporters sling this stuff from both sides while publicly disavowing their approvement.

Flystripper · 09-15-2008, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by exUte

with politicians. "Who me? I didn't say or approve that!" Right. They allow their supporters sling this stuff from both sides while publicly disavowing their approvement.

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Archaea · 09-15-2008, 08:42 PM

I am interested to see how those who are not part of the political machinery react.

None of you are cynical enough, but both sets of candidates are merely operatives, operating within the system, they are neither bad nor good, simply calling upon party regulars to do battle.

Now what I find interesting is how the non-politicos react to the PR of either side. So far, the Teflon Twins seem to be faring better than Messiah and Mr. Boring.

YOhio · 09-17-2008, 03:04 AM

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Originally Posted by myboynoah

Does it bother you that Obama has now come out with very negative ads, striking at McCain for his age and questioning his honor? I ask the obvious question: Wasn't Obama going to be different and show us all the best way? Oh his elequence in calling for a higher standard; now all for naught.

I assume you are all pragmatists and agree that 1) negative advertizing works and that 2) because of that, Obama must use old line political methods. Even then, how bothered are you?

I am pretty sure he lost my vote with these shenanigans. If anything, I'm definitely not the huge Obamaniac I used to be.

UtahDan · 09-17-2008, 03:18 AM

Oh no one is disappointed. No one actually believes that any politician actually represents something different. The all get to where they are in the same way which makes all of them different varieties of the same species. I can't believe anyone believes it to be otherwise.

As I have said before, the change Obama represents is a change to classic liberal democrat policies and politics. If one believes that is what the country needs, so be it. But no one really things that he is anything other than the smoothest, newest, shiniest liberal democrat do they? Not anymore than anyone believes that Sarah Palin is a reformer when we all know her to be a magnificently packaged classic right wing conservative.

No one is this naive unless they are wilfully so. I mean it.

Tex · 09-15-2008, 08:43 PM

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I wish it didn't come to this. He held out remarkably well against Clinton, so this is disappointing. That said, at least Clinton's attacks (generally) weren't total fabrications. I would ask you the converse question as a McCain supporter: do his ads and attacks bother you? McCain also ran on the premise of honest dialogue, and his recent ads and campaign statements have had no truth to them whatsoever. The sex ed for kindergartners was a total lie. How did you feel about it?

The kindergartner-sex ad was not a "total lie" ... it was spin in the grand tradition of American politics. Obama-ites love this tradition too, cross-reference "100-year war in Iraq" and "McCain said he knows ZERO about the economy."

Personally, I disliked the McCain campaign response to the pig-lipstick controversy, though I don't blame them. I'd like to see more issue-oriented attack ads, not this silly stuff.

BarbaraGordon · 09-15-2008, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Cali Coug

I wish it didn't come to this. He held out remarkably well against Clinton, so this is disappointing. That said, at least Clinton's attacks (generally) weren't total fabrications. I would ask you the converse question as a McCain supporter: do his ads and attacks bother you? McCain also ran on the premise of honest dialogue, and his recent ads and campaign statements have had no truth to them whatsoever. The sex ed for kindergartners was a total lie. How did you feel about it?

You know, the McCain story is an interesting one. Last April he said that he promised to run a "respectful" campaign, but that gee-whiz you never know what those pesky 527s will come up with. That very month the pro-McCain 527s started airing ads about Obama's association with Wright. Since then there have been a non-stop string of "independent" ads slamming Obama, most of them misrepresentations or near-fabrications.

The negative ad campaigns have been enormously successful for McCain. Obama can either take the higher ground and, unlike McCain, stay true to his word to keep a "respectful," substance-based discourse, and subsequently watch McCain run away with the election. Or, alternately, he can try to stay competitive and start throwing his own ads out there. It seems he's decided to go with the latter, having given permission for pro-Obama 527s to form for the first time last week.

09-15-2008, 08:36 PM	#1
myboynoah Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Memphis freakin' Tennessee!!!!! Posts: 4,530	Obamaniacs, are you disturbed? Does it bother you that Obama has now come out with very negative ads, striking at McCain for his age and questioning his honor? I ask the obvious question: Wasn't Obama going to be different and show us all the best way? Oh his elequence in calling for a higher standard; now all for naught. I assume you are all pragmatists and agree that 1) negative advertizing works and that 2) because of that, Obama must use old line political methods. Even then, how bothered are you? __________________ Give 'em Hell, Cougars!!! Religion rises inevitably from our apprehension of our own death. To give meaning to meaninglessness is the endless quest of all religion. When death becomes the center of our consciousness, then religion authentically begins. Of all religions that I know, the one that most vehemently and persuasively defies and denies the reality of death is the original Mormonism of the Prophet, Seer and Revelator, Joseph Smith.

09-15-2008, 08:42 PM	#6
Archaea Assistant to the Regional Manager Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: The Orgasmatron Posts: 24,338	I am interested to see how those who are not part of the political machinery react. None of you are cynical enough, but both sets of candidates are merely operatives, operating within the system, they are neither bad nor good, simply calling upon party regulars to do battle. Now what I find interesting is how the non-politicos react to the PR of either side. So far, the Teflon Twins seem to be faring better than Messiah and Mr. Boring. __________________ Ἓν οἶδα ὅτι οὐδὲν οἶδα

09-17-2008, 03:18 AM	#8
UtahDan Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: The Bluth Home Posts: 3,877	Oh no one is disappointed. No one actually believes that any politician actually represents something different. The all get to where they are in the same way which makes all of them different varieties of the same species. I can't believe anyone believes it to be otherwise. As I have said before, the change Obama represents is a change to classic liberal democrat policies and politics. If one believes that is what the country needs, so be it. But no one really things that he is anything other than the smoothest, newest, shiniest liberal democrat do they? Not anymore than anyone believes that Sarah Palin is a reformer when we all know her to be a magnificently packaged classic right wing conservative. No one is this naive unless they are wilfully so. I mean it. __________________ The Bible tells us how to go to heaven, not how the heavens go. -Galileo

09-15-2008, 08:38 PM	#2
BarbaraGordon Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Gotham City Posts: 7,157	According to Tex all Obama supporters are disturbed.

09-15-2008, 08:38 PM	#3
Indy Coug Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Between Iraq and a hard place Posts: 7,569	It's an illusion that either candidate really controls how their campaign is run.