Intellectually, I'll pose the question to you LDS liberals and the few apostates here

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Originally Posted by hoyacoug

I have no idea who Ernoznick is, but I can say that my argument here isn't analagous to your speeding argument. What would be analagous is saying, hey, I was only going 5 miles an hour over the speed limit. Why are you only stopping those of us who are going 5 miles an hour over but doing nothing to stop those who are going 30 miles an hour over while drunk?

Ernoznick is a Con law case that I remember from the Gunther book more than twenty years. It was in the Con law section under Due Process and Equal Protection repudiating the argument that selective enforcement was unconstitutional.

The Church can only advocate what one can do. The anti-gay legislation is doable. The other stuff, not that I agree or disagree, is NOT doable. You know that and that is why the Church won't act upon battles already lost. Perhaps this one is lost as well.

Originally Posted by hoyacoug

Gay marriage involves a subset of a subset of people. Its impact on the family is virtually nil.

You don't know that, only that it will only involve a small number of people but you are not wise or omniscient enough, despite having attended Georgetown, to know what the ramifications will be.

Originally Posted by hoyacoug

Divorce, alcohol abuse, pre-marital sex, are all far more detrimental to the family than gay marriage. In fact, so are the media images portraying sex and how loose we can be in family arrangements. Perhaps those should be unconstitutional?

This is a red herring. First, unconstitutionalizing them, is not doable. Second, are you saying the Church is NOT against these things? If so, you must be attending a different church than I.

Originally Posted by hoyacoug

If you want to legislate something dealing with families, why start with something that would have such a tiny impact anyways? Why not start with a real issue? I think the answer deals with a bigotry towards homosexuals.

Do the doable. We can't even get by the easy, minor stuff. That's why families are doomed. The big stuff, divorce, abuse, deprivation, selfishness, substance abuse, will never be addressed politically and probably not socially.

"Bigotry toward gays" card. Pulling out your nukes are you. Anybody who doesn't bf another guy is a bigot. Great intellectual discussion.

The Church can only do incremental assaults, if it can do anything.

In a world where American Idol is a big seller, how can any of the virtues of the Gospel be sold? I don't see it. And our missionary efforts in the US are failing.