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Yes. Add that.
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Kennedy had the vision of miring us in a war that we would eventually lose.
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Truman also gets demerits for North Korea and some domestic programs and activities. He is still a great president on his overall record. I forgot to mention Trumen preserved citizen/democratic control of the military when he took McCarthur on and fired him for insubordination.
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I saw the two hour documentary on Truman. IMHO, low IQ as it may be, the current historians heap more praise on dear ole Harry than he deserves. As for Kennedy, I lived those years. If Kennedy hadn't appeared so weak, as Obama will when he gets in, there wouldn't have been a Cuban Missle Crisis. Perhaps if you didn't think you were f'en smarter than people in Utah, you might have picked up on that. I still maintain if Truman had been a republican, he wouldn't be treated as favorably when it comes to his accomplishments. Oh, I can't tell you how excited I am we got to the moon. The cheese they brought back has been unbelievable. |
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I know. Mormons of my parents' generation all hated Truman. It's old news. I guess I'm a self-hating Mormon because I say he was a great president.
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“I am sorry, gentlemen, but I have to answer to hundreds of thousands who are anxious for the success of Zionism: I do not have hundreds of thousands of Arabs among my constituents.” --Harry S. Truman
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Interesting my parents and my parents parents loved Truman. I grew up believing Truman and FDR saved the world. I loved JFK. I was in High School when Camelot was going on. Only as I have read and watched documentaries have I come to the conclusion they weren't quite as great as I had been told. Although, they weren't liberals either. |
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Dropping THE bomb changed the world, changed warfare, changed politics, changed everything. That is a very significant act. Also, Kennedy facing the Russians was a very big deal at the time. The country was paranoid over Communism and we were not the established lone superpower. It was a huge, memorable deal for them. It is harder to make the same impact today because we are the lone superpower.
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BYU71, you're the one who came here saying you can't think of a single reason people call Truman or Kennedy good or great presidents. So don't get your back up when we get all condescending and treat you like an idiot.
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