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You don't have to bold the words with no commentary. Obviously, I read these verses since I cited them in my post.
And this scripture has to do specifically with adultery - if a man and/or woman is accused, the elders have a public trial (before the church). And the bishop is to be present. Again - this has nothing to do with confessing sins to the bishop in a private meeting. You could argue that "before the church" refers to the elders - not the general membership (42.89). Fine. This has to do with disciplinary councils. Not with proactive "I need to see the bishop because I felt up my girlfriend" confession sessions. There remains in my mind no scriptural basis for confessing to the bishop as an integral part of the repentance process.
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One could make a case that we dont even follow the scriptures anymore. What we follow is the handbook of instructions. the scriptures are supplementary
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Are the same arguments used to keep the church handbook away from the rank and file the same things that were used back in the day to prevent people from owning and reading the Bible?
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I'm revving up for a post on the HOI. MRD and Mr. Bloom County are touching on some of the big issues.
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then the arguments that it is a "need to know basis" and that if everyone looked at it and interpreted it would lead to "chaos" and that it is "protected information" etc.
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What you cannot circumvent is the very scriptural role of the bishop as the common judge in Israel. If you have committed a serious sin (i.e., one which could potentially affect your membership), the bishop is the first person in line to make judgments on worthiness, and that includes (in part) the repentance process. Your final sentence applies insofar as the sin is not "serious" as I have used the term in this conversation. One does not need to run to the bishop to confess and repent of every little transgression, and the church does not teach this. Quote:
Do we need to review the story about Sidney Rigdon and Brigham Young's conflicting speeches on the scriptures, and how Joseph publicly settled the difference?
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1 A Word OF Wisdom, for the benefit of the council of high priests, assembled in Kirtland, and the church, and also the saints in Zion— 2 To be sent greeting; not by commandment or constraint, but by revelation and the word of wisdom, showing forth the order and will of God in the temporal salvation of all saints in the last days— The scripture says NOT by commandment Handbook of instructions says: No Alcohol is a commandment. Which one do we follow?
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