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I don't believe culture has much of an influence upon suicide, as correlations have established your voodoo science. It's far-fetched. Why not isolate the genetic code which influences an individual toward suicide rather blame culture.
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I also have no problem with the hypothesis that suicide is a genetic pre-disposition. That is not outlandish. However, like with all other pre-dispositions, do you not agree that external variables influence the likelihood of acting upon said disposition? Living in a culture where non-conformity results in spiritual, social, emotional, and often physical ostracization is likely not a healthy alternative for those who are genetically pre-disposed to suicide.
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If gay behavior is all genes, then we must conclude that suicidal behavior is also all genetic to follow the current mode of logic in this thread.
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What no one has provided is any evidence that even ASSUMING Utah has a significantly elevated suicide rate that the excess rate of suicides is due to various political, social and religious pressures on gays.
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Then for the most part I believe they realize how many other people there are like them and their world isn't quite so upside down any more. The process, however, of figuring out where you fit when you aren't in the expected mold can be very tough. But at the end you reach an equilibrium for the most part. If you are gay, not only are you going to have your world go sideways, I'm not sure there is any equilibrium to be reached that includes a temple worthy life. I have gay cousins on both sides of my family tree who are RMs. One male and one female. I know that we say that this is just a cross for them to bare and that they shouldn't have intimate committed relationships that are homosexual. This has always had the ring of truth to me in theory. And yet, I think those here who are pointing out that in the real world people simple don't choose a celibate life and the equilibrium they ultimately reach almost never includes the church are right. I don't know the solution.
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In just suggesting that there might be a connection, I brought out the haters.
Without any evidence they outright reject the hypothesis. And then call me unscientific, when I didn't even say it was causal, I merely suggested it is possible. More disgusting tripe on this board. |
07-04-2008, 06:35 PM | #28 |
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While I would respect UtahDan's opinion more if the gay relatives were siblings, parents, or children, I will have to give his opinion some measure because he has dealt with it, but presumably from a distance.
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For scientist to make a suggestion without a scintilla of evidence is irresponsible. I've heard and read so many urban myths. Utah culture does this and that, and then you suggest LDS culture is somehow is causally connected to gay suicide. That is just too much of a troll. Then you call somebody who rightfully identifies bullshit for what it is as a "hater". Are you getting paid to do this? Or do you simply fancy yourself brighter than the rest of us? It's a nice rhetorical ploy but it doesn't fly. Try trolling harder. If you're so transparent in the future you'll stop attracting comment.
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And you're not going to find a theological position that justifies gay sex. So it's an impassable position for churches such as the LDS Church. Thus the only real life solution is to exit the Church, as a personal choice, not as a request by the Church.
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